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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by hokkos »

sqeaky wrote: post #280
BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

> What is there on /r/Golang that they expect to see edited? This is an insane question to ask. This is as flawed as arguing for mass surveillance because you have nothing to hide now. The questions should instead be "can we trust our comments to not be edited when management disagrees?". What if future management starts loving python so much they decide to do something malicious to other programming languages? It wo…

This is some ridiculous assumptions, spez was clearly distressed with being harassed by trumpets, he did an April fool style edit and smart trolling, he did not made subtle edit to change the hive mind.Reddit lives on drama, everybody should calm down.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Zren »

serf wrote: post #286
Zren wrote: post #262

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It's not really comparable. He wasn't editing Private Messages between two people, but public discussion (which was calling him a pedophile supporter). The reddit admins aren't known for making the greatest judgement calls, but that just makes them more human. The fallout of this will probably be a bunch of nothing. It doesn't affect the 90% of lurkers, nor the rest of the site which doesn't give a shit about US poli…

> It's not really comparable. He wasn't editing Private Messages between two people, but public discussion (which was calling him a pedophile supporter). Why does it matter what the discussion was about? >The reddit admins aren't known for making the greatest judgement calls, but that just makes them more human. I don't get it. Is being 'more human' good or bad? Is 'humanity' somehow a property that emerges from dece…

> Why does it matter what the discussion was about?

Because anybody would get pissed off if they were called that for doing their job (stopping a witch hunt). He inadvertently deflected the hatred causing the doxing of a pizza shop to himself.

He should have just ignored it, since you can't really nuke the thread or it'd make things worse, but at the end of the day you'd still feel like shit.

> and now it's no secret that they were right.

Editing user content tends to get caught. Especially in high profile shit like the elections. The editing tools he used were probably spam related (so the spammer wouldn't know).

The "known secret" was that they were trying not to drown /r/all in US politics everyday, which is justifiable.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by sheepmullet »

wildmusings wrote: post #49
BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

I have no opinion whatsoever in this controversy about the golang sub. But I'd like to call out something in particular about the point you're making: I see this kind of reductionism to what's "technically possible" a lot around here in regards to security and user trust. Let's go back to meatspace to get a more balanced perspective perhaps. Your mailman can read your mail and steal your packages. Your bank can steal…

> Your mailman can read your mail and steal your packages

Exactly.

If my mailman edited one of my letters he would be instantly fired and hopefully prosecuted.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by School-Cotton »

tehwebguy wrote: post #313
SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #234

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Not attaching your brand to poor service is also part of managing a community. If AWS started MITMing client HTTP connections and injecting code, would you be surprised people moved their official websites off the platform, even if a lot of people knew the old IP address? That's not childish, that's not doing business with bad partners, and Im not convinced a space that started as official could ever truly be made "n…

The reddit CEO played a prank. Google actively helps China censor dissent.

They do? How? Google was still blocked in China last time I was there afaik.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by mibbiting »

plandis wrote: post #287
mibbiting wrote: post #27

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I feel like some people don't understand the gravity of what he did. He edited someone elses comments. What is the point in being part of a community where the website owners may be editing random comments? It undermines the whole thing. Let me ask a question. If it turned out that Google had started selectively "editing" peoples email coming from Gmail, would you still be fine using Gmail?

> would you still be fine using Gmail? Well, no. But I also wouldn't force others to stop using it too. You want to know who is harmed by this? Those of us that read the subreddit but are not on Google Groups.

Just a rookie question, but why the hell don't they just install some forum stuff on a web server?

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by [deleted] »

gkop wrote: post #194
thewhitetulip wrote: post #77

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It is not just about the UI, UI sucks but the feedback they give on google groups is terrible. Reddit community is so amazing that once I was having doubts about AJAX, within ten minutes, I had two answers, one with plain JS AJAX and another with jquery. If I had been asking on google group, which I have done only once when they replied back so horribly that I stopped using it, they'd have directed me to some obscure…

Is it really true that /r/golang is friendlier than go-nuts? If so then Golang should make /r/golang official and wind down go-nuts. Community friendliness is way more important than platform politics, and the unfriendliness on go-nuts might turn some people off to Golang.

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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by user5994461 »

0xmohit wrote: post #151
siidooloo wrote: post #119

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People were accusing him of being a pedophile because redit removed a subreddit that was involved in a conspiracy falsley accusing other people of being pedophiles. He changed the attribution of the accusation to be against the people doing the brigading.

Funny. They site says that they don't do that. Quoting from Reddit Help: Will you remove something defamatory about me or my friend? [0]: The best way to deal with incorrect information on the Internet is to post the correct information next to it. The reddit community is usually very supportive of such a response, and will likely vote to give the correction greater prominence than the original post. Redditors love a…

    The reddit community is usually very
  supportive of such a response
No they're not. They prefer trolling or upvoting whatever sounds cooler.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by ascorbic »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #361
johnnydoebk wrote: post #200

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I'd make the subreddit unofficial, too but for other reasons. It is a very unwelcoming place. I'm not the first one who's saying this, but it's really a shame how toxic the /r/golang is.

I do not know which universe you are living on. /r/golang is one of the best programming communities I have ever seen. golang-nuts is the worst community I have ever seen. This is double standards of the epic proportions, on the "official" Google group, you have a person call reddit "hive of scum" and what not and that's fine? doesn't the CoC shoved down our throats tell us to respect others? to not be an ass? or doe…

Your links are all broken.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by xg15 »

qb45 wrote: post #215
freehunter wrote: post #193

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What kind of safeguards could be put in place that couldn't be disabled or overridden by the admins?

No UI for traceless edits and DB password split in three parts like nuclear launch codes. Then the CEO couldn't do it alone and he would have some time to think things through before others agree to participate in such fishy business, if they do at all.

That's proposing a technical solution for a social problem, which is usually a bad idea.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by mibbiting »

erikrothoff wrote: post #56
mibbiting wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like some people don't understand the gravity of what he did. He edited someone elses comments. What is the point in being part of a community where the website owners may be editing random comments? It undermines the whole thing. Let me ask a question. If it turned out that Google had started selectively "editing" peoples email coming from Gmail, would you still be fine using Gmail?

He pranked some pranksters. That's it.

You mean he massively abused his position.

People have been prosecuted and JAILED for reddit comments don't forget.

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