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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by dom96 »

bradfitz wrote: post #160
saboot wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have every right to take this position, and if you feel strongly have no obligation to stay. What I cannot understand is the next step of proposing to close the entire subreddit. Don't want to moderate it anymore? Then don't. A subreddit is made up of it's users, not just the moderators.

The background is that we have some official spaces and some unofficial spaces. I thought our subreddit was an official space that we created. It turns out we didn't create it, so it's not ours to delete. I'm now proposing we just make it unofficial.

Even if you did create it initially I don't think that deletion would be a good course of action here.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by freehunter »

xg15 wrote: post #138
BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

> Spez's actions harm himself more than users of the site. I'm not sure. If everyone would say "alright, it was incorrect but we don't want any internet drama", then how exactly would it hurt him? Closing a subreddit seems to me like exactly the kind of thing that could communicate a "not OK". I think it's especially necessary as the edits had been done in a trump support group subreddit. Even though I don't agree wi…

Closing /r/golang would only hurt the people who subscribe to /r/golang, which is probably not /u/spez.

If I'm mad at the US president, burning down my house isn't an effective protest and would hurt basically everyone but the president.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by freehunter »

eterm wrote: post #190
xg15 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spez's actions harm himself more than users of the site. I'm not sure. If everyone would say "alright, it was incorrect but we don't want any internet drama", then how exactly would it hurt him? Closing a subreddit seems to me like exactly the kind of thing that could communicate a "not OK". I think it's especially necessary as the edits had been done in a trump support group subreddit. Even though I don't agree wi…

I agree, and also yes he admitted it, but isn't that worse? There weren't any safeguards or anything to catch it on the reddit organisation side. It was only users noticing forcing an admission that means it's even a matter of record.

What kind of safeguards could be put in place that couldn't be disabled or overridden by the admins?

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by gkop »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #77
zzzcpan wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Second that. Google Groups is a big problem, stops me from reading anything golang related there.

It is not just about the UI, UI sucks but the feedback they give on google groups is terrible. Reddit community is so amazing that once I was having doubts about AJAX, within ten minutes, I had two answers, one with plain JS AJAX and another with jquery. If I had been asking on google group, which I have done only once when they replied back so horribly that I stopped using it, they'd have directed me to some obscure…

Is it really true that /r/golang is friendlier than go-nuts? If so then Golang should make /r/golang official and wind down go-nuts. Community friendliness is way more important than platform politics, and the unfriendliness on go-nuts might turn some people off to Golang.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

0xmohit wrote: post #189
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That quote heavily suggests that it's talking about a one-off post rather than a foaming-at-the-mouth mob spamming libellous abuse.

In that event, wouldn't it better to pull down the post? Better than edits, no?

Of course, but like I said in another post, human beings are not 100% rational 100% of the time, particularly when suffering from a barrage of abuse.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by freehunter »

Springtime wrote: post #93
BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

> The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it Well, it was an entire page of them, but an interesting thing I found while following a bit of this as it blew up was coming across a user that mentioned a comment that was seemingly also deleted by the admin [1]. It seems the CEO may have been doing more than just editing comments. Not that it changes the view of your post though. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/The_…

I would think that deleting a comment would be less controversial than editing a comment. Deleting a comment without needing the moderators involved is a power I would entirely expect an admin to wield.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by pikzen »

bradfitz wrote: post #160
saboot wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have every right to take this position, and if you feel strongly have no obligation to stay. What I cannot understand is the next step of proposing to close the entire subreddit. Don't want to moderate it anymore? Then don't. A subreddit is made up of it's users, not just the moderators.

The background is that we have some official spaces and some unofficial spaces. I thought our subreddit was an official space that we created. It turns out we didn't create it, so it's not ours to delete. I'm now proposing we just make it unofficial.

So the only thing holding you back from deleting a subreddit with tons of information, 25.000 subscribed users and what looks like a rather active and healthy discussion isn't that it would be a dick move to both golang in general and the community, but that you're not actually the owner.

Could you get any more childish?

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by ChoGGi »

meowface wrote: post #43
BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

>The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. Many comments.

And the possibility of other comments being edited, and him not admitting to those being edited (which I assume is what the golang admin is worried about).

This is where I'd insert a certain GWBj quote about being fooled again...if I was on /.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by johnnydoebk »

bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

I'd make the subreddit unofficial, too but for other reasons. It is a very unwelcoming place. I'm not the first one who's saying this, but it's really a shame how toxic the /r/golang is.
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