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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by toomuchtodo »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #326
toomuchtodo wrote: post #45

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There is no gravity. People are overreacting, that's all. Spez simply did what other sites are able to do but never admit if they do or not. GPG sign everything online if you're concerned about your data changing. Even HN could change your comments if they wanted. What's stopping people? "Trust"?

So what if other websites "could"? It only matters if they DO. I don't treat everyone like a psychopath because they COULD stab me. I only care if they do.

You don't know if other sites do it unless they admit it.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by ticviking »

threeseed wrote: post #302
problems wrote: post #53

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Again "stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories" this is not. An admin abused their power. It's ripe for abuse and they've proven they're willing to abuse it and not mature enough to treat that power respectfully. I have a hard time respecting a company with someone like that as CEO. No conspiracy, no politics, just what happened.

The reason he removed the post was because he was being called a paedophile for killing off the pizzagate subreddit. There is a ton of drama and conspiracy nonsense tied up in this. Frankly /r/the_donald should have been removed as well for the libelous and disgraceful comments.

I largely agree with you, but wanted to add some more context.

The issue is, and has always been, caused by a serious problem in the reddit's admins have in being perceived as being unable to enforce the rules fairly.

From time to time communities that are overall "okay" get deeply invested in an issue and "drama" is spawned. Sometimes rules are broken. When particular subs visibly break rules and the rules are not enforced their opponents feel license to also break rules. Both sides of these disputes could name a dozen or times that the other side broke the rules. They have mountains of evidence of this, and don't trust the admins as a result.

Because of that, and the explicitly political nature of r/the_donald, none of the admins have felt they could enforce those rules. Into that toxic hellbroth of a situation /r/pizzagate repeatedly had dox-drops containing actual child pornography. Visibly breaking like the only true real rules reddit has, the admins took the only option they had, and ware demonized for it.

Largely because all moderator actions had become so politicized, and after reviewing reported content that I suspect may have been genuinely traumatizing to review he made a mistake.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by pitay »

stcredzero wrote: post #216
blitzd wrote: post #96

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I would argue that a moderator shutting down a community of 25,000 individuals because of their own personal opinions is just as much if not the greater abuse of power.

This is emblematic of what's wrong with so many subreddits and so much of the social web that comes in the form of "forums" -- it seems like we have entire generations of users who have associated the totalitarian nature of forums with things being "advanced" on the internet. Social media isn't mostly about free thought, free speech, and free inquiry anymore. Nowadays, it's mostly about the rapid dissemination of con…

Thanks for this, I have noticed that in the online communities where I hang out, it is nice to have the words of what has been annoying me. Thanks so much.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by notheguyouthink »

blitzd wrote: post #238
iainmerrick wrote: post #139

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It was just an overreaction (and a pretty understandable one) because he is so pissed off at Reddit.

...funny, that's basically the same thing Spez said about what he did.

Well, except Spez actually did it. Brad asked for feedback/proposed doing it.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by notheguyouthink »

rocketpastsix wrote: post #23
heroprotagonist wrote: post #18

So.. here's the thing. I think that spez did everyone a favor by editing those user comments. We know that politicians and corporations game the system already with fake accounts, presumably as a tool for manipulating public opinion. We know from the code that user comments aren't encrypted at all, or their voting tallies. It would require a very small tweak to manipulate things from the server side. Given that, user…

Not to mention, its pretty widely known that /r/the_donald uses bots to up the votes and push their stuff higher on /r/all. Not that Im thrilled that Spez did what he did, but /r/the_donald has been pushing the line ever since it was created.

In fairness, bots have been influencing many subs for quite some time. An analysis of how one sided /r/politics was and how many seemingly bot accounts (very new accounts with abnormal activity, heavy publishing/etc) posted nothing but pro Hillary / anti Trump articles with an immediate push of votes.

Reddit is gamed all over the place, in all subs. Between that, and fake amazon reviews, it's really feeling like this is a problem we need to start spending some time to try and push against.

No idea what we can do.. probably nothing..

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by madeofpalk »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #144
bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

The symbolic gesture that the project is disassociating is okay. Deleting the repo is not. >It's just too unreliable of a platform to be official in any regard. The /r/golang subreddit is for devs who want answers and who don't want to be held up by the whims of stackoverflow mods. It isn't rocket science and even if we can't trust the answers, why would anyone edit the answers? If you remember, the reddit CEO only e…

> If you remember, the reddit CEO only edited the usernames, that too, I am sure it was a prank.

He edited the mention of a username in a comment and completely changed the meaning of the comment by changing the target.

I'm sure he thought it was a prank, but that shows extremely poor judgement of the CEO of a company that calls itself "the front page of the internet". Just imagine how unacceptable it would be for the Facebook CEO to edit someone's status, or Twitter to edit tweets.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by stcredzero »

pitay wrote: post #343
stcredzero wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is emblematic of what's wrong with so many subreddits and so much of the social web that comes in the form of "forums" -- it seems like we have entire generations of users who have associated the totalitarian nature of forums with things being "advanced" on the internet. Social media isn't mostly about free thought, free speech, and free inquiry anymore. Nowadays, it's mostly about the rapid dissemination of con…

Thanks for this, I have noticed that in the online communities where I hang out, it is nice to have the words of what has been annoying me. Thanks so much.

Well, now that we've identified the problem, what can we do about it? Right now, large swathes of the internet are ruled by bullying stupids. What's more, that old saw about how you shouldn't argue with an idiot, because passerby just see two idiots? -- that's definitely in operation as well.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by saurik »

Wiping away a massive trove of contextualized historical discussion and even technical content, particularly one about a widely used open source project, is sickening and in my eyes is so much worse than what anyone at reddit did I am shocked that someone would even propose it much less that other people on this mailing list were not only willing to consider it but seem to actively support the idea.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by appleiigs »

stcredzero wrote: post #316
threeseed wrote: post #305

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This is self righteous, moralising nonsense. You are free to say whatever you want on the internet. Set up a blog or website and go nuts. You aren't free to dictate the behaviour of companies who don't want content on their site that is objectionable or factually baseless. Likewise it is just hypocritical and hilarious to complain about conformity just because your opinions don't correspond with theirs. Those people…

This is self righteous, moralising nonsense. You are free to say whatever you want on the internet. Set up a blog or website and go nuts. I'm not so sure you're understanding where I'm coming from. I used to find online a place where I could freely express an opinion without fear of onerous consequences. Back in the old USENET days, there were trolls and heavy-handed moderation and all manner of unpleasantness, but t…

"Woe betide you if you actually have a nuanced opinion that doesn't fit neatly with either side of an issue. Your fellow posters/commenters will reject their pattern-match and call you a liar and 5th columnist for the other side"

lol, his comment fits this perfectly.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by dang »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #294
dang wrote: post #254

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We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13037590 and marked it off-topic.

Wow, you're back and altering my content again? How is the sub thread not relevant? It was a direct, positive example of what the person I replied to claimed. At least make an actual claim, dang. Edit: and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13037766 still stands #comedysite

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