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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by TeMPOraL »

justin_vanw wrote: post #84
pavel_lishin wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except this is the admins making the statement, potentially taking their ball and going home - leaving a lot of people on the court wondering what to do next.

I wonder how dramatic this really is? There must be a hundred forums to discuss go, people aren't so helpless they can't find their way off of reddit.

Dramatic enough for frequent visitors. Forums are dime a dozen, but a community you get used to and grow to like is unique for you. If HN was to be suddenly shut down, I'd literally be heartbroken.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by xg15 »

shadowmint wrote: post #83
problems wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again "stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories" this is not. An admin abused their power. It's ripe for abuse and they've proven they're willing to abuse it and not mature enough to treat that power respectfully. I have a hard time respecting a company with someone like that as CEO. No conspiracy, no politics, just what happened.

Then leave. Don't use the site. How is this a big deal? If you're not comfortable with a platform then by every means, don't use it. ...but why does what you think mean that everyone should be affected?

Network effect. If only few people leave, each of them has to face a penalty for leaving (in this case not being able to participate in one of Go's main discussion hubs). If the whole community decides to leave (or rather move), there is no such penalty.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by justinsaccount »

iainmerrick wrote: post #137
bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

Make a federated replacement for Twitter while you're at it! It would be interesting to figure out how to tackle, well, "voter fraud" in that kind of system. I see lots of people complaining about how Reddit is vulnerable to upvoting brigades but I don't see anyone proposing solutions.

He kinda did... at least the foundation for such a system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PubSubHubbub

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by thewhitetulip »

bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

The symbolic gesture that the project is disassociating is okay. Deleting the repo is not.

>It's just too unreliable of a platform to be official in any regard.

The /r/golang subreddit is for devs who want answers and who don't want to be held up by the whims of stackoverflow mods. It isn't rocket science and even if we can't trust the answers, why would anyone edit the answers? If you remember, the reddit CEO only edited the usernames, that too, I am sure it was a prank.

If anyone edits the messages which we post on /r/golang, it will lead to the answer being invalid and or something else, the world isn't going to collapse, there won't be congressional hearings just because some dev wasn't able to run gofmt and the answer posted by another random guy on the Internet was changed and can't be "trusted".

We want answers on /r/golang and it isn't much about trust.

Thank you for no longer proposing to delete it.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by siidooloo »

justin_vanw wrote: post #14
yxhuvud wrote: post #4

While the behaviour of the Reddit CEO was more than a little bit immature and short-sighted, closing down a functioning community in response seems almost as stupid. If they try to shut it down, then the community at Reddit will create a version of it that is not closed down.

I'm not a /r/golang user, but I think this is a political statement of 'we will not tolerate the abuse of users by people entrusted with their data', which I think is fair. Maybe they should just call for the CEO to leave or something.

There is no good decision that can be made here. Spez was wrong and abused his position. But taking an action against reddit will be seen as a 'win' by the people who started the abusive false pedophilia accusations.

I don't know what the correct answer is other than to say that everyone currently involed looks bad, and anyone who jumps in will come off looking bad. Is the only thing we can do stand back and watch it burn?

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by wtbob »

mrob wrote: post #110
wtbob wrote: post #55

> The sensible amongst us should be above childish drama like this. Are there many sensible among us? Remember, this is an industry in which a CTO would fire an employee for using proper English[0]. It's an industry where a CEO called for employees who voted for a candidate he opposed to resign. We passed the point of insensibility a long time ago. [0] Bryan Cantrill stated in 2013 that Joyent will fire any employee…

Singular they is just as much proper English as generic he. If both are correct why not use the one that minimizes offense? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they#Usage

> Singular they is just as much proper English as generic he.

In the right contexts, sure — but singular they is not a drop-in replacement for generic he, and using them identically is incorrect.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by hga »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #95

The CEO of Google was busted by his emails for conspiring to suppress wages. WikiLeaks recently released a 2014 email[1] from Eric where he appears to conspire with the Clinton campaign/dnc to have "low paid permanent employees". [1] https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262 E: bots are out?

More like acquiescing to Apple's demands that Google do that, and they did quite actively, but not at his/Google's initiation. Which doesn't change the crime that much.

The greater point is that the CEO of a company with digital user assets, let me call them, can be thoroughly evil, while company policy and enforcement keeps his hands from directly tampering with those assets.

Silently changing someone's postings is one of the vilest betrayals of trust a platform can commit, the only worst I can think of is forging new ones out of whole cloth, and if that happens without major changes resulting in the company, that says a great deal about it as a whole, and whether you should have any dealings with it, especially seeing as such assets have been used to criminally convict people, and specifically one Rowan O'Connell for this company.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by thewhitetulip »

visarga wrote: post #135
bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

You don't need to rebuild reddit. Just add offsite, trusted backups of comments. If you want to be fancy, allow redditors to enable monitoring of their comments with a bot command, and get notifications in their inbox.

Using /r/golang is the community's call, why do they care about federated things? It isn't like we discuss some sensitive information over it that we need to "trust" reddit. Do we really "trust" Google/FB?

it is about convenience. Almost all traffic for my FOSS projects has come from Reddit and because of Reddit, from twitter.

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