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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by sqeaky »

LordFrith wrote: post #298
sqeaky wrote: post #271

Simple question. What happens if spez modifies comments you put on Reddit in the ancient past to make you seem like a Racist, ISIS supporter, Homophobe, or simply puts threats to various heads of state in your name? Can you really trust him not do to so? What if one day he decides that golang is bad because they are badmouthing something that spez really likes?

Go through the comment histories of frequent posters to /r/The_Donald . It would be extremely hard to make any of them look 'bad'. They relish being as... deplorable as possible.

What about my comments? I am not from that sub, but what if spez decides to do something to my 5 year old reddit comments just because he doesn't like that I am criticizing him?

Have you every commented on Reddit? If so, now it could be a threat on the life of a head of state and the investigation could greatly complicate your life just because you ticked off spez.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by SwellJoe »

rurban wrote: post #325

Aside from the valid point and the little drama involved, the more important point is that reddit just lost its safe harbor protection over that issue, which means it will be either closed down soon (too expensive and risky) or heavily censored with only a few subreddits, which means golang sooner or later might need to find another place. So better look now. https://twitter.com/infinitechan/status/801627024431271936

That's nonsense. Safe harbor can apply to some parts of a site even if the owners of the site exercise editorial control over some of it. Google has both curated/edited content and user generated content, YouTube has both, facebook has both, newspaper websites have both, WordPress.com has both.

It is not a switch that gets flipped for the entire website when one editorial action happens somewhere on a website, and it exhibits total lack of understanding of the safe harbor provisions to suggest it is.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Steeeve »

forgottenpass wrote: post #208
Steeeve wrote: post #21

> That is so beyond unethical and immature, I no longer want anything to do with that site. I will be deleting my account on Reddit after backing up my content, and I will no longer be a moderator of /r/golang. Responding to immaturity with immaturity is a bad idea altogether. I have never understood Google's choice of "use google groups" for projects, then farming out community relations to third parties like StackO…

Responding to immaturity with immaturity is a bad idea altogether. Sticking to principles, even when it's uncomfortable and inconvenient to do so is "immature" now?

I don't see anybody painting this as "sticking to principles" and the message certainly does not read that way to me.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by imron »

yarou wrote: post #136
BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

> Spez's actions harm himself more than users of the site. By confirming what any technically minded person probably already knew (you can edit raw data backing something like a post), he gave the masses a new source of drama any time something they don't like appears on the site. Vehemently disagree. You can extend the same argument to the NSA conducting effectively unrestricted surveillance on citizens. Those of us…

> Those of us who are technically minded knew it was going on years before Snowden showed up

I seem to recall it being dismissed by the technically minded as possible but largely tinfoil hat conspiracy before Snowden showed up.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by krick »

mankash666 wrote: post #125

Yes. Let's delete our accounts from Google for Google's unfair treatment of protonmail and yelp in yesteryears. Let's get off Facebook for fake stories swinging elections. Don't even get me started on Microsoft, just get off it. Get off everything. Everything sucks

Sounds funny to me, because I'm avoiding Google, Facebook and Microsoft products when it isn't way too problematic, and I do it because of political/moral reasons not in the last place.

I'm not saying I agree with r/golang deletion, by the way. Surely this is stupid and inadequate, as reddit it made out of drama anyway. But getting off something you don't agree with in general is quite noble, I'd say.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by cooper12 »

dirtbox wrote: post #322

Spez edits comments directed at him in a toxic community that has been pretty much the root of the alt-right echo chamber for the last year. I'm just sad he didn't delete the entire sub. /r/golang can do what they like, but this is no reason.

Leave it to them to make themselves out to be the victims even though constant username pinging is considered harassment on reddit. (to say nothing of the content of the comments themselves...) The funny part is that if spez is deposed, he was likely the last one fighting against their sub's removal. The same thing happened in the past with Ellen Pao . According to Yishan Wong (another ex-CEO):

> Ellen had to take over (I'm not sure she wanted to, but she was the only one) and the board wanted her to just ban all those subreddits but she had been around long enough to know that you can't just do that (they'll just spring up again) so she resisted. (https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/58zaho/the_...)

> on at least two separate occasions, the board pressed /u/ekjp to outright ban ALL the hate subreddits in a sweeping purge. She resisted, knowing the community, claiming it would be a shitshow. Ellen isn't some "evil, manipulative, out-of-touch incompetent she-devil" as was often depicted (https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3dautm/conte...)

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by jsprogrammer »

dang wrote: post #255
sachel1sta wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your text is nearly white within 19 minutes of being posted. It's obvious HackerNews is not safe--from certain people.

It's plainly off-topic, and the worst kind of off-topic tangent: the kind that makes a thread even more generically political.

CEO of Google emails being used in a court of law to secure a negative outcome for Google, is off-topic in a sub thread about the CEO of Google being able to edit Google emails and other data?

Did Eric challenge the authenticity of the emails? I've never heard him do so.

I now understand why you couldn't specify in what way my comment was "off-topic".

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by grzm »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #337

HN moderators absolutely edit user content without notice or attribution. My comments are partly authored by dang, but you will not be able to tell which words are mine and which are not.

Can you provide examples? I'd like to know what types of things they edit.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by jsprogrammer »

kps wrote: post #317
jsprogrammer wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment has everything to do with editing content. Schmidt was effectively convicted on the content of his emails. I don't think Schmidt was able to edit an email used in that case. It is a positive example of what the poster I responded to was claiming. Additionally, this CEO (now of Alphabet) has continued to engage in seemingly illegal behavior over Google email. I'm not aware of Eric disputing any of these al…

> Additionally, this CEO (now of Alphabet) You seem to be mixing up Eric Schmidt and Larry Page. People have seen them in the same room together.

What am I mixing? Schmidt was CEO at Google during the relevant time. He is now XC at Alphabet.
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