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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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personofpelican wrote: post #247
Buge wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He edited comments invisibly (not showing the usual edit mark), replacing the content with content against the rules of the subreddit. Thus when subreddit mods saw content that was against the rules, they banned the victims' accounts.

> replacing the content with content against the rules of the subreddit. Thus when subreddit mods saw content that was against the rules, they banned the victims' accounts Got a source for this? From what I've read about what happened (not a whole lot), this seems like it's been passed through multiple rounds of the telephone game. All solid information I've heard, and seen directly admitted, is that he edited mentio…

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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Zren »

mtgx wrote: post #99
BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

If Larry Page or Sundar Pichai edited some of your emails, would you still want to use Gmail? And before you say that it's "different" because emails are private, let's remember this: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26677607 Emails are not private. At least not Gmail/Outlook emails. ProtonMail or PGP email should be safer.

It's not really comparable. He wasn't editing Private Messages between two people, but public discussion (which was calling him a pedophile supporter).

The reddit admins aren't known for making the greatest judgement calls, but that just makes them more human.

The fallout of this will probably be a bunch of nothing. It doesn't affect the 90% of lurkers, nor the rest of the site which doesn't give a shit about US politics. The people who it does affect (/r/The_Donald) will find that they need reddit to attract new users. It's doubtful their community could stand own their own or it would have done so already. It's no secret that they didn't trust the admins before the election.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by [deleted] »

Sphax wrote: post #250
johnnydoebk wrote: post #200

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I'd make the subreddit unofficial, too but for other reasons. It is a very unwelcoming place. I'm not the first one who's saying this, but it's really a shame how toxic the /r/golang is.

Please show me how we are toxic. As far as I'm concerned, it's not true at all.

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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by sqeaky »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #179
TeMPOraL wrote: post #129

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Because the power is there and it's tempting to use. Restarting Buzz may not have economic sense for Google, but abusing admin-edit powers has obvious value for the abusers and may be hard to catch if the abuser is not an idiot. "Opportunity makes a thief", and all.

But, realistically, the power is there on any site featuring user contributions - Hacker News, Twitter, Slashdot, etc. etc. Humans are fallible; given infinite time, the same thing will happen on those sites too, and probably worse. If you push someone hard enough (I don't know the full story, but I believe the CEO was provoked) they will lash out and do something stupid unless they are incredibly serene or lack any…

These other sites have demonstrated trustworthiness, as has Reddit up until this.

We all know that site operators can change things, but some of them have enough integrity to be trusted not to.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by sqeaky »

shadowmint wrote: post #83
problems wrote: post #53

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Again "stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories" this is not. An admin abused their power. It's ripe for abuse and they've proven they're willing to abuse it and not mature enough to treat that power respectfully. I have a hard time respecting a company with someone like that as CEO. No conspiracy, no politics, just what happened.

Then leave. Don't use the site. How is this a big deal? If you're not comfortable with a platform then by every means, don't use it. ...but why does what you think mean that everyone should be affected?

Because the long term damage could be larger than the short term costs.

I do not know if that is the case, that is up to the mods of /r/golang.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Buge »

personofpelican wrote: post #247
Buge wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He edited comments invisibly (not showing the usual edit mark), replacing the content with content against the rules of the subreddit. Thus when subreddit mods saw content that was against the rules, they banned the victims' accounts.

> replacing the content with content against the rules of the subreddit. Thus when subreddit mods saw content that was against the rules, they banned the victims' accounts Got a source for this? From what I've read about what happened (not a whole lot), this seems like it's been passed through multiple rounds of the telephone game. All solid information I've heard, and seen directly admitted, is that he edited mentio…

Yes, it's against the /r/the_donald rules to insult the /r/the_donald mods. Here's an /r/the_donald mod saying they banned some of the users by mistake after /u/spez edited their comment.

https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ekdy9/the_admin...

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by sqeaky »

freehunter wrote: post #260
010a wrote: post #237

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Moving your community to another platform which has a better history of respecting their users isn't metaphorically similar to burning your house down. Its more like immigrating to Canada because Trump won.

If he just left reddit and deleted his account, that's one thing. Shutting down the community and deleting the content is another. But going through steps to make sure that community can never rebuilt itself after it's gone is so far beyond a protest against one person that I can't even believe it's being considered. Literally, in that Google Groups conversation they said they wanted to delete everything and make it…

There has to be a less destructive way than to simply delete the subreddit, perhaps put up a date that new post will be disallowed and links to other official Forums.

Then when posts are no longer allowed, leave a read only copy up for some time, then leave nothing but the links to other communities.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by whateveracct »

personofpelican wrote: post #247
Buge wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He edited comments invisibly (not showing the usual edit mark), replacing the content with content against the rules of the subreddit. Thus when subreddit mods saw content that was against the rules, they banned the victims' accounts.

> replacing the content with content against the rules of the subreddit. Thus when subreddit mods saw content that was against the rules, they banned the victims' accounts Got a source for this? From what I've read about what happened (not a whole lot), this seems like it's been passed through multiple rounds of the telephone game. All solid information I've heard, and seen directly admitted, is that he edited mentio…

Insulting the mods is definitely against the rules of the_donald rofl. They take after their ~God Emperor~

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by 1wd »

bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

On Hacker News user submitted content gets silently edited by the admins all the time. (Specifically submission titles.)

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by _RPM »

BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

I read your post, but still have no idea what you said. It reminds of Eric B at TechCrunch Disrupt interrupting Gavin Belson's interview with the press.
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