Not a problem. They can write their own Reddit in Go, with blackjack, etc.
Deleting the golang subreddit
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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
> this is an industry in which a CTO would fire an employee for using proper English[0] I disagree with this being a fireable offense, but I read the post and this wasn't about using "proper" English, since both pronouns were correctly used. It was about using unnecessary gendered pronouns when a neutral one would be more inclusive (i.e. it's wrong to consider the user a "he"). Again, firing would be an overreaction…
> the neutral pronoun is equally correct from an English language perspective The neutral pronoun in English is 'it,' and using it to refer to a human being is always wrong. The use of singular they is in a few contexts correct, but in many more contexts incorrect. The use of 'he-or-she' is inelegant and incorrect, and the use of generic she is less incorrect than silly. Seriously, this is remarkably silly. 'Girl' in…
> The neutral pronoun in English is 'it,' and using it to refer to a human being is always wrong.
Absolutely not. It's perfectly valid to use "it" to designate an unborn baby, for example. Another example: "The person, who asked to remain anonymous, said they would press charges".
"it" and "they" have long been valid use cases of pronouns in the English languages and all its flavors (British, American, ...).
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would argue that a moderator shutting down a community of 25,000 individuals because of their own personal opinions is just as much if not the greater abuse of power.
Exactly. Didn't make it far through that thread, but what is the proposed alternative? It's a bizarre, kneejerk reaction by a few people that ultimately may harm an entire language still in its formative years.
> may harm an entire language still in its formative years.
Who cares? If people don't want to use the language they won't, and if people do, they will. I refuse to feel bad for the language.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
The background is that we have some official spaces and some unofficial spaces. I thought our subreddit was an official space that we created. It turns out we didn't create it, so it's not ours to delete. I'm now proposing we just make it unofficial.
So the only thing holding you back from deleting a subreddit with tons of information, 25.000 subscribed users and what looks like a rather active and healthy discussion isn't that it would be a dick move to both golang in general and the community, but that you're not actually the owner. Could you get any more childish?
Not attaching your brand to poor service is also part of managing a community.
If AWS started MITMing client HTTP connections and injecting code, would you be surprised people moved their official websites off the platform, even if a lot of people knew the old IP address?
That's not childish, that's not doing business with bad partners, and Im not convinced a space that started as official could ever truly be made "non-official".
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
The background is that we have some official spaces and some unofficial spaces. I thought our subreddit was an official space that we created. It turns out we didn't create it, so it's not ours to delete. I'm now proposing we just make it unofficial.
>>It turns out we didn't create it No shit. https://imgur.com/a/K2cWx
Yes, that's what I learned too. That was before my time.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#236I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…
The symbolic gesture that the project is disassociating is okay. Deleting the repo is not. >It's just too unreliable of a platform to be official in any regard. The /r/golang subreddit is for devs who want answers and who don't want to be held up by the whims of stackoverflow mods. It isn't rocket science and even if we can't trust the answers, why would anyone edit the answers? If you remember, the reddit CEO only e…
The question I've had is why didn't reddit SREs stop the DB edits as an attack. Even using valid creds, the queries should've been anomalies and logging should've picked up the unusual access pattern.
There's three possibilities that come to me:
1. The CEO explicitly told reliability/security staff to ignore his edits. Policy fail of epic proportions.
2. The edits were performed using designed tools and queries, which means reddit had before now intended to make silent edits to user data as part of regular business.
3. Reddit lacks the internal safeguards to know if user data was unexpectedly written to. This option is dangerous to hosting code on reddit, because an attacker could silently, maliciously change examples without reddit ever detecting the damage (or users seeing an edit mark).
I expect that we're in case 2, followed by 3 and then 1 (in terms of likelihood), but none of the ways that a large tech company could have this happen are reassuring about P&P at reddit, or make me want to rely on them for hosting a community.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Spez's actions harm himself more than users of the site. I'm not sure. If everyone would say "alright, it was incorrect but we don't want any internet drama", then how exactly would it hurt him? Closing a subreddit seems to me like exactly the kind of thing that could communicate a "not OK". I think it's especially necessary as the edits had been done in a trump support group subreddit. Even though I don't agree wi…
Closing /r/golang would only hurt the people who subscribe to /r/golang, which is probably not /u/spez. If I'm mad at the US president, burning down my house isn't an effective protest and would hurt basically everyone but the president.
Moving your community to another platform which has a better history of respecting their users isn't metaphorically similar to burning your house down. Its more like immigrating to Canada because Trump won.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have every right to take this position, and if you feel strongly have no obligation to stay. What I cannot understand is the next step of proposing to close the entire subreddit. Don't want to moderate it anymore? Then don't. A subreddit is made up of it's users, not just the moderators.
It was just an overreaction (and a pretty understandable one) because he is so pissed off at Reddit.
...funny, that's basically the same thing Spez said about what he did.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#239So.. here's the thing. I think that spez did everyone a favor by editing those user comments. We know that politicians and corporations game the system already with fake accounts, presumably as a tool for manipulating public opinion. We know from the code that user comments aren't encrypted at all, or their voting tallies. It would require a very small tweak to manipulate things from the server side. Given that, user…
We know from the code that user comments aren't encrypted at all, or their voting tallies. Of course not, how would you show the comments to visitors if they were encrypted? This is very public proof that even the content of comments can be manipulated [...] How would anyone be surprised by this, it's all just rows in a database. If you are in the right position with the right credentials, you can do whatever you wan…
> Of course not, how would you show the comments to visitors if they were encrypted?
By encrypting them with a key before storing them, and decrypting them before rendering them. It's not difficult, but could put additional load on the server.
Protecting access to the key would be more difficult, but it's possible with security tools. If it's a file, the idea would be to restrict access to the key to the service processes so a user on the system can't use it to encrypt their own entry. If it's an environment variable then you need to protect where that is inevitably stored and called. Then you restrict access to the database so its only accessible from specific production servers, and restrict access to the servers to only people who need the access. It's separation of duties.
But I get your point about the right person being in the right position. Separation of duties goes to hell when you've got a CEO who's a developer and also works in operations. You can't restrict his write access to production data while allowing him to work on the code. Even if your processes are in place, surely the CEO of a company can get around them.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
So the only thing holding you back from deleting a subreddit with tons of information, 25.000 subscribed users and what looks like a rather active and healthy discussion isn't that it would be a dick move to both golang in general and the community, but that you're not actually the owner. Could you get any more childish?
Not attaching your brand to poor service is also part of managing a community. If AWS started MITMing client HTTP connections and injecting code, would you be surprised people moved their official websites off the platform, even if a lot of people knew the old IP address? That's not childish, that's not doing business with bad partners, and Im not convinced a space that started as official could ever truly be made "n…
What I mean is that the subreddit doesn't belong to bradfitz, or Google, or the golang creators.
It has never started as official because the creator was /u/uriel. The Google guys may have joined after, but the fact is that it is not their community. They're not even paying a single dime for it.
If AWS started MITMing my connections, absolutely, I would drop it. But the analogy doesn't hold because /r/golang isn't bradfitz's subreddit.
The proper and only response would be to drop moderatorship, leaving in a thread his reasons, and leaving /r/golang as it is. As it stands, the only thing stopping him from doing that is that the he's not the original owner.
And, you could also argue that when a community reaches a certain size, it doesn't belong to you anymore. It belongs to that community. To delete it is petty and childish.