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China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Post by surmkm »

fdsak wrote: post #67
scaraffe wrote: post #56

The one thing the article doesn't mention is that some of the projects under this plan passes through the Pok (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir), which creates a precarious situation between India, Pakistan and China over Kashmir.

None of this goes through POK ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azad_Kashmir ), could you reference any? If you are thinking of Gilgit-Baltistan ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgit-Baltistan ), it got independence from Dogra Raj in 1948 after a short war, then the tug-of-war b/w Pakistan and India and rest is history.

The princely state of Jammu and Kashmir was comprised of Jammu region, Kashmir Valley, Ladakh, Gilgit, Baltistan and a bit of Aksai Chin.[1] So, India have Jammu, Ladakh and a part of Kashmir. Pakistan have POK (Azad Kashmir + Gilgit-Baltistan). And, China have Aksai Chin.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_(princely_st...

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Post by rangibaby »

ethbro wrote: post #62
saiya-jin wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think you are missing the point of the parent - not many people care about genocide going on somewhere in the woods as long as it's not dangerously nearby (nothing to be proud of, but a natural part of being human these days). I don't know anybody who would literally 'hate' Rwanda, Burma, South Sudan or your former/current place of pick. now for rather unfortunate meddling into internal affairs of a given state - t…

> not many people care about genocide going on somewhere in the woods as long as it's not dangerously nearby I'm going to take the somewhat cardboard American umbrage, but I think my position is a fair one. For all of our American geopolitical intrigue and intelligence service &#@$ups, the United States generally does care. In the sense that compared with other countries that could act, the United States chooses to d…

Re: Iraq Dictators killing their own people hasn't concerned the US govt before or since. They even called the thing Operation Iraqi Liberation.

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Post by trelltron »

fdsak wrote: post #34
fdsak wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the article is biased reflections of the author.

I have lots of issues with this author and article. I am one of the locals from that region. The picture caste in this article is very biased and not acceptable. There are issues but not that bleak as depicted by the author. Specially the things describe about Gilgit and Hunza are not correct. The KKH has greatly helped reduced the poverty and its a vital resource for us and all the remote communities. "Violence has…

This article is from 1999 though. It's probably wrong for 2016, but that's to be expected.

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Post by bromuro »

Tepix wrote: post #22
bromuro wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where in the world has the US brought stability with its international politics?

Europe for a couple of decades following WW2.

...thanks to the Allies. From then, the US returned to its bloody, destructive colonialist behavior.

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Post by LordFrith »

fdsak wrote: post #34
fdsak wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the article is biased reflections of the author.

I have lots of issues with this author and article. I am one of the locals from that region. The picture caste in this article is very biased and not acceptable. There are issues but not that bleak as depicted by the author. Specially the things describe about Gilgit and Hunza are not correct. The KKH has greatly helped reduced the poverty and its a vital resource for us and all the remote communities. "Violence has…

> Ask who was behind it ? and you will get name , who funded cold-war, .. just the same b.s again ..

I am pretty sure Ted Rall will agree with you that meddling from foreign empires, like the US, causes violence in Central Asia.

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Post by LordFrith »

fdsak wrote: post #34
fdsak wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the article is biased reflections of the author.

I have lots of issues with this author and article. I am one of the locals from that region. The picture caste in this article is very biased and not acceptable. There are issues but not that bleak as depicted by the author. Specially the things describe about Gilgit and Hunza are not correct. The KKH has greatly helped reduced the poverty and its a vital resource for us and all the remote communities. "Violence has…

Have you read Ted Rall's 2006 book Silk Road To Ruin? I'm interested enough in the opinion of a Central Asia local that I would mail you a copy.

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Post by mankash666 »

Ah. One hears a lot of complaining from Pakistan and it's citizens against the US and it's apparently damaging policies.

It's unlikely for one to hear such complaints against China, as China will nip any dissent in the bud, with an iron fist. The great Chinese censor and censure machinery will soon hold a tight grip around the citizens, media and politics of Pakistan. Happy 2017 and beyond!

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Post by brilliantcode »

nikcub wrote: post #17

Another traditional US ally re-aligning itself between the two major spheres of influence. The balance will tip further in China's favor as the USA recedes further from global development. What's interesting is if you look at the parallel international institutions that China are developing that will compete with the IMF et al, many of the partners are traditional and very close allies of the United States. For ex. w…

except Pakistan is not really an ally but a lynchpin in starting another nuclear cold war style standoff in the Indo-Pakistani region which distracts them from US core interests in other more important areas.

but I agree with the other comment below OP, IMF & WB have destroyed economies that threatened US interests, ex. Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Ireland, so on. There is a clear pattern of market manipulation and subsequent destruction and using that chaos to reign them closer to US interests.

We should all but expect the same from China but with much less subtleness.

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Post by fdsak »

surmkm wrote: post #71
fdsak wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of this goes through POK ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azad_Kashmir ), could you reference any? If you are thinking of Gilgit-Baltistan ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgit-Baltistan ), it got independence from Dogra Raj in 1948 after a short war, then the tug-of-war b/w Pakistan and India and rest is history.

The princely state of Jammu and Kashmir was comprised of Jammu region, Kashmir Valley, Ladakh, Gilgit, Baltistan and a bit of Aksai Chin.[1] So, India have Jammu, Ladakh and a part of Kashmir. Pakistan have POK (Azad Kashmir + Gilgit-Baltistan). And, China have Aksai Chin. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_(princely_st...

You are right upto 1948, when we fought for our independence to get rid-off Dogra Raj, and became independent and affiliated with Pakistan. So Pakistan did not occupy us. Each side (both India and Pakistan) narrate this story for her benefit :)

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Post by ryuker16 »

ethbro wrote: post #43
hd4 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And before Afghanistan, the Soviet Union. And as you say, the mutual interest in containing the threat posed by India. If anything, Trump courting India as much as he has been doing, at the same time talking tough against China means we have 'interesting times' ahead.

From my perspective, India always seemed like a better ally to the American people, Pakistan to the American military/intelligence branches.

India courted the soviets which didn't help.
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