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Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Humans do this too, on occasion. Apart from the obvious but difficult-to-verify night club anecdotes, here's a well-known historical example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feather#World_War_I

On the other side of the coin, there's the fictionalized story of Lysistrata.

No need for fiction Colin, I'm sure you've heard of the Sabine women:

"[They], from the outrage on whom the war originated, with hair dishevelled and garments rent, the timidity of their sex being overcome by such dreadful scenes, had the courage to throw themselves amid the flying weapons, and making a rush across, to part the incensed armies, and assuage their fury; imploring their fathers on the one side, their husbands on the other, 'that as fathers-in-law and sons-in-law they would not contaminate each other with impious blood, nor stain their offspring with parricide, the one their grandchildren, the other their children. If you are dissatisfied with the affinity between you, if with our marriages, turn your resentment against us; we are the cause of war, we of wounds and of bloodshed to our husbands and parents. It were better that we perish than live widowed or fatherless without one or other of you.' "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_the_Sabine_Women

Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other side of the coin, there's the fictionalized story of Lysistrata.

No need for fiction Colin, I'm sure you've heard of the Sabine women: "[They], from the outrage on whom the war originated, with hair dishevelled and garments rent, the timidity of their sex being overcome by such dreadful scenes, had the courage to throw themselves amid the flying weapons, and making a rush across, to part the incensed armies, and assuage their fury; imploring their fathers on the one side, their hu…

That's a story of women as peacemakers, to be sure (although I'm not entirely sure how much of it is history and how much is legend). Unlike the Greek story (which is not necessarily entirely fictional) the Sabine women weren't specifically using sex as a weapon of peace, though.

Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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And this is the current top comment. Welcome to Hacker News. (my reply gets MRA-downvoted in 3.. 2.. 1..)

You're going to be downvoted for a troll-y, baiting post that has no content. Being downvoted will not validate your hypothesis.

I made a statement about HN's worrying MRA hive that doesn't appear to see any problem with this top comment, but with mine (btw, you prove my point too).

Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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And this is the current top comment. Welcome to Hacker News. (my reply gets MRA-downvoted in 3.. 2.. 1..)

Please resist making comments about being downvoted. It never does any good, and makes boring reading. Also, avoid baiting users by announcing that you expect to be downvoted.

Please resist trying to teach other users.

Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're going to be downvoted for a troll-y, baiting post that has no content. Being downvoted will not validate your hypothesis.

I made a statement about HN's worrying MRA hive that doesn't appear to see any problem with this top comment, but with mine (btw, you prove my point too).

I'm sure there's quite a few people who think the OP is terribly offensive, and are appalled at the insinuation it wouldn't be downvoted or moderated.

Edit: The fact that your post got flagged faster than the OP on the other hand does reinforce your point and reflects very badly on HN.

Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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post #16

Males have evolved to extract resources from the environment. Females have evolved to extract resources from males.

I think by removing the word "monkey" you have opened yourself up to a charge of inaccuracy. After all, I'm going to hazard a guess that this is not true of all males of all species.

Now some cynical people might think that you removed the word monkey in order to map this research onto humans, in order to make a point. While I'm sure that's not the case, I think it's worthwhile to recall many other evolved qualities human beings have, such as:

cannibalism

child molestation

incest

murder

organised genocide

disorganised genocide

So I think we can all agree that our ability, however occasional, to transcend our evolved behaviours is a positive and that people who advocate for further improvements are to be respected.

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