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What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by scarface74 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #333
scarface74 wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a software developer and I haven't experienced any of those problems. My resume shows that I've been in the industry for at least 17 years and that's after taking my first job off of my resume. I graduated from an unremarkable state college, and I'm a minority. When you're juggling 17 job opportunities knowing that you have a good shot at a least 10 offers, you really don't have to negotiate. Between the salary o…

"I made a mistake and contacted a recruiter from the same company where I was already working with another recruiter" That's not a mistake, or certainly not yours. You're not paying the recruiter, you're not they're client, and you definitely aren't beholden to them. Sign an agreement to the contrary, that's different.

I wasn't referring to a mistake as far as ethically or legally, just that it seemed spammy on my part and useless to contact more than one recruiter at the same company when they share job openings and your first point of contact will usually split the commision with the owner of the account if they arent the owner.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by scarface74 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #333
scarface74 wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a software developer and I haven't experienced any of those problems. My resume shows that I've been in the industry for at least 17 years and that's after taking my first job off of my resume. I graduated from an unremarkable state college, and I'm a minority. When you're juggling 17 job opportunities knowing that you have a good shot at a least 10 offers, you really don't have to negotiate. Between the salary o…

"I made a mistake and contacted a recruiter from the same company where I was already working with another recruiter" That's not a mistake, or certainly not yours. You're not paying the recruiter, you're not they're client, and you definitely aren't beholden to them. Sign an agreement to the contrary, that's different.

I wasn't referring to a mistake as far as ethically or legally, just that it seemed spammy on my part and useless to contact more than one recruiter at the same company when they share job openings and your first point of contact will usually split the commision with the owner of the account if they arent the owner.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by kbart »

TXV wrote: post #256

I live in what should be considered a developed country in Europe with 5 years work exp also abroad, of which almost 2 of software development in a highly specialized field, and I make one third (1/3) of what the average CS grad makes in SF. It feels very bad...

Yes, but living in developed Europe country vs SF you probably get:

1) free healthcare

2) free education for you and your children

3) better work/life balance*

4) better overall life quality*

Sum that up and you shouldn't feel that bad after all.

*unless you live in London or other overcrowded city, but you've mentioned you live in your own house, so that's probably not the case.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by retube »

pinouchon wrote: post #14
AlexC04 wrote: post #2

well first thing - that code at the top can be simplified. function getDevJob(studying, hardwork, luck){ return study && hardwork && luck; } But more seriously - I actually really like point #2. I firmly believe that job interviews have a strong bias towards people with experience doing job interviews. Your "offer-ladder" seems to confirm that for me. It reminds me of that freakonomics article about how real estate a…

While we're at it, the function name `aTypicalDay` is one of the poorest naming choice I've seen in a while. Is it typical or atypical ?

I would interpret the former. Presumably the latter would be "atypicalDay"

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by dwaltrip »

nanodano wrote: post #220
ARothfusz wrote: post #89

> Coming out of Hack Reactor, my weaknesses were data structures and algorithms. ... > At Hack Reactor, we’re trained to mask our inexperience. In our personal narratives, we purposely omit our bootcamp education. I fail to see how they prepared this student for a career in software development. Sounds like they get a Masters in technobabble.

I had the same thoughts. Programming is nothing BUT data structures and algorithms. Being weak in those two areas basically means you are weak at programming. He also talked about how he didn't like they immediately equated him to a junior dev when realizing he only had bootcamp experience. IMHO, a bootcamp is essentially like taking one elective at university on making web apps.

Understanding abstraction is more essential to programming than data structures and algorithms.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by mkurz »

whack wrote: post #334
mkurz wrote: post #285

Holy shit. Is this some kind of a joke? > Otherwise, companies automatically categorize us into junior developer roles or tag us as “not enough experience.” ??? What do you think you are after a TWELVE WEEK coding seminar (no matter how intense it was)? It looks frightening to me that he doesn't even know what "junior developer" really means. How ignorant can someone be to NOT think to be a junior dev right after "gr…

If there's one thing I've learnt, it's that "years of SW experience" is a downright shitty indicator of what someone is capable of. Facebook 1.0 was built by a bunch of Harvard undergrads with 0 degrees and 0 work experience. I'd take someone with 90th percentile IQ, a history of delivering professional results regardless of industry, and a drive to become a great SW engineer, over an average engineer with 10 years o…

Good luck with that. The next Google will be yours - that's for sure.

By the way: Mark Zuckerberg was a huge geek in is earliest years already and in no way he had "0 work experience". Have a read through the "Early Years" in his Wikipedia article and you may find http://www.letsintern.com/blog/4-thing-mark-zuckerberg/ interesting. He didn't start Facebook with 0 experience right after taking a 12 weeks seminar because he wanted to "change career".

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by mkurz »

user5994461 wrote: post #318
mkurz wrote: post #285

Holy shit. Is this some kind of a joke? > Otherwise, companies automatically categorize us into junior developer roles or tag us as “not enough experience.” ??? What do you think you are after a TWELVE WEEK coding seminar (no matter how intense it was)? It looks frightening to me that he doesn't even know what "junior developer" really means. How ignorant can someone be to NOT think to be a junior dev right after "gr…

I'd argue that he's not Junior. He needs an entry-level position. By that, I mean that I make a distinction between a Junior dev (who may have a degree and professional experiences through a work and/or internships) and an entry-level/breaking-into-programming dev who's got nothing (no theory, no practise, zero real world experience).

Good point.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by kazga »

blister wrote: post #199
lllorddino wrote: post #105

I just hate how these "bootcamps" are only in it for the money and then they have the audacity to tell their students to LIE on interviews. How about you actually pick a language YOU love, make projects, improve. Node.js LUL

That seems a little bit extreme, in my opinion. I'm writing the curriculum for a full-stack web developer bootcamp that we're launching in the early part of next year. We're all "kind of" in it for the money. I have to support a full-time teacher salary for three months, administrative overhead, software/hardware licensing, curriculum development, and have enough left over to make it worthwhile to continue teaching t…

Which university doesn't teach version control, requirement solicitation and design document writing in a Software Engineering class or similar?

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by valdiorn »

chrisseaton wrote: post #150
dood wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

London COL is very similar to SF/NY I believe.

Thanks to trains you can commute into London fairly easily from somewhere more affordable. And it isn't driving so you can work or read as well.

sure, if you like reading standing up for 90 minutes while someone breathes down your neck.

The transit system is exploding, living in the commuter belt these days is a special kind of hell for a lot of people.

And don't think you're getting seats on the underground either.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by mkurz »

sandesp wrote: post #331
mkurz wrote: post #285

Holy shit. Is this some kind of a joke? > Otherwise, companies automatically categorize us into junior developer roles or tag us as “not enough experience.” ??? What do you think you are after a TWELVE WEEK coding seminar (no matter how intense it was)? It looks frightening to me that he doesn't even know what "junior developer" really means. How ignorant can someone be to NOT think to be a junior dev right after "gr…

Are you serious? We live in a capitalism. With all the things you see happening in the tech world you cannot stand some guy using the system to get a six figures salary. Or are you angry because you are one of those programmers who took years to progress through small promotions and cannot stand this whole world of bootcamp-grads making six-figures after a 3-months training.

I am not angry at all - what I really am is astonished.

> ...cannot stand this whole world of bootcamp-grads making six-figures after a 3-months training.

Hmm... Why not just get rid of all these annoying CS courses at University? I mean - who needs them anyway if you could just spend 3 months to reach such a badass salary?

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