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What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by sandesp »

mkurz wrote: post #285

Holy shit. Is this some kind of a joke? > Otherwise, companies automatically categorize us into junior developer roles or tag us as “not enough experience.” ??? What do you think you are after a TWELVE WEEK coding seminar (no matter how intense it was)? It looks frightening to me that he doesn't even know what "junior developer" really means. How ignorant can someone be to NOT think to be a junior dev right after "gr…

Are you serious? We live in a capitalism. With all the things you see happening in the tech world you cannot stand some guy using the system to get a six figures salary. Or are you angry because you are one of those programmers who took years to progress through small promotions and cannot stand this whole world of bootcamp-grads making six-figures after a 3-months training.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by user5994461 »

dvcrn wrote: post #313
voycey wrote: post #306

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100% this! The tech world is due an implosion if this continues, you cant have people with ZERO programming experience beyond a guided 12 week bootcamp being offered anything more than a Junior role?? This single sentence terrifies me: "At Hack Reactor, we’re trained to mask our inexperience. In our personal narratives, we purposely omit our bootcamp education." $120k+ offer for 12 weeks experience - ridiculous, I ho…

This is why you need good screening processes. I on the other hand got taught to be able humble and make compromises especially when still being a junior. Looking back at my early days, when I wanted a position that I knew would change my career, I purposely asked for a lower salary in the beginning to compensate for my junior level or other skills (language for example when I moved into a country where I wasn't flue…

Tip: You need a bootcamp in negotiations and selling yourself. Not in programming ;)

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by FireBeyond »

scarface74 wrote: post #274
Declanomous wrote: post #245

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I briefly worked as an accounting recruiter[1]. It's extremely plausible one person could be submitted to 17 different positions in a week, while another person gets one every other week. Getting interviews is as much politics as it is being qualified. At the place I worked, recruiters owned their job listings and their applicants. You get paid more if you fill your jobs with your own applicants, for what I think are…

I'm a software developer and I haven't experienced any of those problems. My resume shows that I've been in the industry for at least 17 years and that's after taking my first job off of my resume. I graduated from an unremarkable state college, and I'm a minority. When you're juggling 17 job opportunities knowing that you have a good shot at a least 10 offers, you really don't have to negotiate. Between the salary o…

"I made a mistake and contacted a recruiter from the same company where I was already working with another recruiter"

That's not a mistake, or certainly not yours. You're not paying the recruiter, you're not they're client, and you definitely aren't beholden to them.

Sign an agreement to the contrary, that's different.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by whack »

mkurz wrote: post #285

Holy shit. Is this some kind of a joke? > Otherwise, companies automatically categorize us into junior developer roles or tag us as “not enough experience.” ??? What do you think you are after a TWELVE WEEK coding seminar (no matter how intense it was)? It looks frightening to me that he doesn't even know what "junior developer" really means. How ignorant can someone be to NOT think to be a junior dev right after "gr…

If there's one thing I've learnt, it's that "years of SW experience" is a downright shitty indicator of what someone is capable of. Facebook 1.0 was built by a bunch of Harvard undergrads with 0 degrees and 0 work experience. I'd take someone with 90th percentile IQ, a history of delivering professional results regardless of industry, and a drive to become a great SW engineer, over an average engineer with 10 years of SW-experience. Any day of the week.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by Declanomous »

scarface74 wrote: post #274
Declanomous wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I briefly worked as an accounting recruiter[1]. It's extremely plausible one person could be submitted to 17 different positions in a week, while another person gets one every other week. Getting interviews is as much politics as it is being qualified. At the place I worked, recruiters owned their job listings and their applicants. You get paid more if you fill your jobs with your own applicants, for what I think are…

I'm a software developer and I haven't experienced any of those problems. My resume shows that I've been in the industry for at least 17 years and that's after taking my first job off of my resume. I graduated from an unremarkable state college, and I'm a minority. When you're juggling 17 job opportunities knowing that you have a good shot at a least 10 offers, you really don't have to negotiate. Between the salary o…

The politics at play probably don't affect people who browse HN as much as it affects a middling SEO IT helpdesk person.

That being said, there are a lot of things to negotiate other than salary. You can negotiate vacation days, flex schedules, etc. They are all effectively forms of compensation, but companies are more firm on salary than they are on other forms of compensation.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by thrownblown »

user5994461 wrote: post #332
dvcrn wrote: post #313

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This is why you need good screening processes. I on the other hand got taught to be able humble and make compromises especially when still being a junior. Looking back at my early days, when I wanted a position that I knew would change my career, I purposely asked for a lower salary in the beginning to compensate for my junior level or other skills (language for example when I moved into a country where I wasn't flue…

Tip: You need a bootcamp in negotiations and selling yourself. Not in programming ;)

Good thing that's half (~6 weeks) of the curriculum at Hack Reactor!

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by pault »

TXV wrote: post #263
UweSchmidt wrote: post #258

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How much you pay for rent, and how long is your commute? Maybe you feel a little better now :)

I live in my own house and my commute is 20 mins by car, but I still feel bad... thanks for the different point of view though

You would have paid $2 million for your house in San Francisco.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by pzh »

harmegido wrote: post #297
mkurz wrote: post #285

Holy shit. Is this some kind of a joke? > Otherwise, companies automatically categorize us into junior developer roles or tag us as “not enough experience.” ??? What do you think you are after a TWELVE WEEK coding seminar (no matter how intense it was)? It looks frightening to me that he doesn't even know what "junior developer" really means. How ignorant can someone be to NOT think to be a junior dev right after "gr…

The article does read a lot like the "Psychopath's Guide To Career-Hunting". Honestly, the tone reminded me a lot of some of my undergrad peers who were pursuing investment banking jobs, which I suppose makes sense considering his about section. That all said, if your goal is to get the highest paying job possible, this seems like useful advice.

This a 100%! While I was reading his guide, I couldn't shake off that jazz track from "The Talented Mr Ripley"...

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by et-al »

linkregister wrote: post #305
et-al wrote: post #242

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> Eat Ramen, coupons, live like a begger, and save up 1 year of income. It's unsexy, but one doesn't have to live in the hottest part of town, or go to the newest restaurants every weekend. But the problem is that people are to led to believe that programming == tech money == big living, when it's really decent middle-class living which means one should still budget, which may mean not keeping up with the Joneses. Th…

I'd call the lifestyle by most new grads in San Francisco to be on par with the middle-class lifestyle. I think your percentages are way off but the gross dollar values are acceptable when compared to other U.S. locales. Most new grads in San Francisco are likely eating up most of their income on taxes, rent, and repayment of student loans. After contributing the maximum of $18k to their retirement plan and some mode…

Great job with the break down--the numbers seem spot on. I just checked my spending for September and I spent $1600 for discretionary; and this was with larger family dinners where I paid, and also a weekend trip to LA with friends. I'm more on the frugal side, though.

In regards to the 10% vs 25%, I believe most guidelines account for retirement saving. So with your numbers, we'd be at 28% which isn't too shabby. But yeah, in terms of getting six months worth of savings..

    1200 # rent
     500 # student loans
    1200 # discretionary
   =1900
    1900 * 6
   11400 / 1000
   =  11.4
We'd need 12 months, which isn't unrealistic either. I figured one can easily live on $1200 for discretionary when unemployed. $300 for utilities, $600 for food ($20/day), $300 for whatever else. Just can't be blogging from Sightglass every day.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by franciscop »

seangrogg wrote: post #205
franciscop wrote: post #157

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Totally real question, could you please ballpark estimate from a simple glance at my github how much I could be making in the US? I'm curious to know what's there to offer: http://github.com/franciscop/ If you want to adjust it with some extra notes: winner of worldwide NASA competition; degree in Industrial Engineering in Spain with final year project on Neural Networks in Tokyo University; organizer of one of the b…

I've not ever really had my github brought up in interviews nor known anybody else that has. If you could direct me towards a resume, though, I'd be totally happy to try and estimate.

Unfortunately I don't have a decent or updated resume (missing 1 year), but here's something: http://francisco.io/resume.pdf
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