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Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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Re: Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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Post by vidarh »

prodigal_erik wrote: post #80
tootie wrote: post #72

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US does the same actually. $.05 tax on all bottles, $0.05 payment for recycling. It used to get people to recycle but now the penalty is too small to be worth it. On the flip side, rooting through garbage cans for recycling deposits is now a viable source of income for urban poor.

On the other other hand, we're essentially paying urban poor to empty cans and strew garbage over the sidewalk.

My experience from growing up in Norway and living in the UK, is that there's far more littering related to bottles in the UK, where people will throw them all over the place, than in Norway where they almost always get returned.

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Post by detaro »

vidarh wrote: post #140
tootie wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US does the same actually. $.05 tax on all bottles, $0.05 payment for recycling. It used to get people to recycle but now the penalty is too small to be worth it. On the flip side, rooting through garbage cans for recycling deposits is now a viable source of income for urban poor.

It's similar, but not quite the same. The above creates an incentive for people to collect bottles, but not an incentive for retailers to encourage bottle returns, which results in experiences for consumers that often makes it seem like it's not worth it. E.g. if you're forced to bring your bottles to a recycling centre instead of to the grocery store you're headed anyway, it's a lot less likely to happen. Getting th…

Here in Germany stores have to take back single-use containers with deposit. Small stores are allowed to only accept the brands they sell, larger ones have to take everything.

Re: Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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Post by vidarh »

user5994461 wrote: post #101
polskibus wrote: post #100

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Cows fart methane even if they are just fed for milk. I'd rather have cow from milk than a synthetic substitute.

You can also have milk from plants.

I keep trying milk substitutes. Not because I have any particular reason to switch away from milk, but because I find milk delicious and are curious about similar tasting drinks.

So far, the ones I've found range from awful, to quite ok to drink but nothing like milk. For e.g. baking, the taste may matter less if they get the consistency right.

But for drinking, I've yet to found any that I'd be willing to consider replacements for milk, though I've found a couple that I may buy now again because their quite different taste is a nice complement.

Re: Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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Post by pvaldes »

user5994461 wrote: post #101
polskibus wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cows fart methane even if they are just fed for milk. I'd rather have cow from milk than a synthetic substitute.

You can also have milk from plants.

Milk from plants is latex, that is universally poisonous in all families of plants that create it.

Re: Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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Post by hackuser »

kristopolous wrote: post #128
hackuser wrote: post #127

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> Conservatives are unlikely to be OK with someone knowingly and intentionally exposing people to fatal levels of radiation in the way they are OK with adverse ecological systems. I don't think that's true. They defended the cigarette industry, for example. They oppose laws and regulations protecting people in the workplace. They support and encourage law enforcement's abuse of the poor and minorities. > It needs to…

There's arguably a distinction to be made between what self identified conservatives believe and the PR campaigns which seek to align themselves with conservatives and attempt to hoodwink those people into supporting. For instance, if a beer commercial was jingoistic and patriotic, we'd probably agree that it was a marketing tactic and not necessarily the drinking choice of nationalists.

> There's arguably a distinction to be made between what self identified conservatives believe and the PR campaigns which seek to align themselves

I agree, but many self-identified conservatives believe these things, according to polls.

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Post by undersuit »

ced wrote: post #45
edmccard wrote: post #33

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>How does it compare with the great buffalo herds that roamed the plains 200 years ago? There are about 92 million cows and calves in the U.S. today.[1] Estimates for the number of bison at their peak range from 30 million to 60 million. [1] https://www.nass.usda.gov/Newsroom/2016/01_29_2016.php

I wonder too if the methane production from a modern cow fed for human consumption is very different from that of a wild buffalo.

Grass fed cows are supposed to produce greater than 40% more methane than the industry standard grain fed cows. This guy[1] seems to have thought a little about this too.

[1] http://jaysonlusk.com/blog/2014/8/22/buffalo-extermination-e...

Re: Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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Post by hackuser »

kristopolous wrote: post #133
hackuser wrote: post #126

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> The worst move the environmental movement did is let the environmentally sensitive product be associated with consumption by a rich liberal urban elite. I'm pretty sure this move was made by the 'anti-environmentalists', including big industry and those fighting the ideological war against 'liberalism'. They would have found a way to discredit it among their followers - if not this way, than another. Even these ter…

I think you've got some homework to do on the etymology of those terms. They were pretty intentionally used here.

Please drop the condescencion.

I didn't say the terms were unintentionally used, I said they were empty stereotypes from conservative propaganda.

Regarding their emptiness: Can you define the terms? Do you have some data to back up the existence of the demographic and their purported behavior?

Re: Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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Post by gotofritz »

gotofritz wrote: post #23
dajohnson89 wrote: post #20

Can eating seaweed make human farts smell less offensive?

They'll smell of the sea. Which to the people around could suggest, subliminally, it's time for a beach holiday. A chance for some guerrilla marketing right there...!

Jesus what a humourless bunch
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