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Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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Re: Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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There probably isn't an incentive to reduce methane emissions for farmers right now though, right? We'd have to pass regulations mandating a reduction, or an emissions tax or something.

It's an interesting puzzle as to how you'd monitor something like that for a global warming tax. Random cow inspections? Some kind of satellite thing?

Add a default per-cow tax, and deduct from it for purchase of a seaweed feed, and make it bite sufficiently that it becomes substantially cheaper to include seaweed in the feed.

This is how Norway encourages bottle recycling: There's no law mandating recycling of bottles, but there's a substantial tax on beverage containers that you get a reduction of in proportion to your return rate. This has resulted in a return rate of 99%+ of recyclable bottles by making it economically beneficial for retailers and distributors to participate in fairly elaborate and expensive collection and recycling schemes.

It takes some work to get mechanisms like this in place in a way that isn't easy to exploit, but get the incentives right and you can let economic interests do most of the work.

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Since this is aimed at environment efforts, I would ask how much 2-5% reduction in feed is in acres of land dedicated to farming and usage of pesticides. To my knowledge, seaweed farm are considered quite eco firendly, not size constrained, and don't need pesticides.

Your knowledge is all correct (I researched leaving tech to farm seaweed).

What were the conclusions of your research?

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No, and that's not going to happen soon. But companies can start marketing their products as carbon neutral and selling them at a premium at retailers like Whole Foods.

The biggest producers are and will always be the mass market stuff, though. Who cares if 1% of beef is produced carbon neutral? It's nice, but it makes no tangible difference. Sadly this method of encouraging better behaviour won't work unless a costco or a mcdonalds, for some insane reason, wants to cut their profit margin and buy more expensive beef.

It has to start somewhere. You can't expect the entire meat industry to convert at once.

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If i read it correctly the paper says the effect comes through bromoform contained in the algae, which inhibits the enzymes participating in the methane production. It's only fed in sub-toxic amounts to the cows I don't think it bio-accumulates, so the meat should be safe for consumption. in other words, it has nothing to do with antibiotics.

Wouldn't it be better/cheaper just to make and feed the cows some bromoform ?

It's an ozone-depletant, so you want a natural source. And algae naturally soak it up from sea water, so you don't have to extract it from minerals or anything like that.

Plus I assume that it being part of the plant matters slows its release.

Re: Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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How does it compare with the great buffalo herds that roamed the plains 200 years ago?

>How does it compare with the great buffalo herds that roamed the plains 200 years ago? There are about 92 million cows and calves in the U.S. today.[1] Estimates for the number of bison at their peak range from 30 million to 60 million. [1] https://www.nass.usda.gov/Newsroom/2016/01_29_2016.php

I wonder too if the methane production from a modern cow fed for human consumption is very different from that of a wild buffalo.

Re: Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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A good solution would be for government to offer large rebates to farmers purchasing this as feed (ideally whilst reducing some other farming subsidy like CAP). Farmers would have an incentive to use, there shouldn't be large monitoring costs and should be cost effective

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I agree with you. I'd rather see faster, broader action. But it's not happening soon. But instead of waiting around ask your butcher if they can purchase a "zero carbon" cow (or better yet go vegan/vegetarian :)), don't buy mass market stuff with huge carbon footprints (this Christmas I'm mostly giving food or other things). I used to think the "your wallet can change corporate behavior" line of reasoning at the end…

Asking your butcher for "zero carbon" cow is pointless, I agree, it is also the equivalent of attempting to avoid buying things with "huge" carbon footprints (like everything that has plastic on it which is pretty much everything useful), much like buying in artisanal shops, or asking for "grass fed beef" or "free range eggs", it is all highly inefficient which is a problem with our growing population. They are all l…

Except that meat has been part of the human diet before we were even human, and evolution has adapted us to be omnivores. The human body can't produce a number of amino acids any more, a number of which are most easily sourced from the bodies of animals that can produce them (most of which are herbivores). For example Lysine and Methionine are easier to acquire from meat than vegetables; especially if you aren't burning lots of energy (exercise etc) or intake of lots of calories is a health issue.

You can live on a vegan diet, but it is easier to live on an omnivore diet. And since for most people easier is preferable, and when talking about the population of the world as a whole, you'll still find that a large percentage of the world's population will eat meat if it is easily available.

Re: Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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Hey this is my province! There is a large veterinary sciences building as part of the university here.

It would be great for the seaweed industry here too it used to produce Irish moss for carageenan, a thickening agent for food.

But as it is with the Irish moss it will go to Asia tropical waters produce more seaweed.

Re: Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates cow methane emissions

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Not just for Bovines, for humans too, Seaweed can come to rescue: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/11/02/a-new-leaf

> All Smith needs to do is to invent a new cuisine based on filter feeders and seaweed That's the problem - I'd love to eat more, but a lot of it it's just not appetising. Eating the salads you get in Korean / Japanese restaurants is like eating soft leather.

On an episode of chef Anthony Bourdain a chef in China or Japan (I forget) said the western palate doesn't consider a rubber texture mouth feel appealing like Asian countries.

They discussing and were eating a sea cucumber with a rubbery texture.

Then again dulce a seaweed is a food in the Canadian Maritimes it's not common but enough that most people have heard of it.

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