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Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by tcrews »

bogomipz wrote: post #227
tcrews wrote: post #66

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I can relate to that and part of it is probably because we don't want to be left out, we don't want to miss the latest technology that will make us obsolete, etc. 1) Reading HN all the time creates a false sense that things are moving much faster than they really are. 2) I'd suggesting reading "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck" and it'll remind you your time is finite https://www.amazon.com/Subtle-Art-Not-Giving-C…

I couldn't help but see an irony in the Amazon description for this book considering the subject being discussed :) "In this generation-defining self-help guide, a superstar blogger cuts through the crap to show us how to stop trying to be "positive" all the time so that we can truly become better, happier people." That being said this looks interesting and I am going to give this a read. Thanks for the tip!

Indeed. The book is really good in the first half. The second half is a mishmash of common sense advice, but I still found it useful.

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Post by 67726e »

throwaway-hn123 wrote: post #127
cousin_it wrote: post #88

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If you want to endorse firing people for their online views, next time don't use a throwaway.

I'll do what I want, thanks. I'll also bear the consequences and not whine like a baby.

> I'll also bear the consequences and not whine like a baby.

You are using a throwaway account. Clearly you are not willing to be beholden to your words online despite advocating for us to do us.

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Post by echelon »

echelon wrote: post #276
kraftz wrote: post #236

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https://lobste.rs/

If someone has an invite, may I have one? No worries if not. (Sorry for the off-topic spam.)

I can no longer edit my post, but wanted to comment that I just received an invite. Thanks! :)

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Post by natural219 »

Flagging this for obvious, one-sided political bias. The bunny trail from Trump being elected, to "fake news on Facebook" story being perpetuated in the press, to this editorial, is just straight laughable to me.

Maybe I made the wrong call, but I'm happy to start flagging nytimes articles with the same judiciousness I'd flag a Breitbart article with an innocent-seeming but obviously-politically-motivated conclusion at hand.

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Post by base698 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #340
base698 wrote: post #228

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Are they really nazis and zealots, or were they labeled as such? How would you discus these views with the person and change their mind if you label them as unworthy of your employer. Free speech acts as Natural selection for ideas. Bad ideas never get checked and fester in filter bubbles if you don't let people express themselves openly.

Some people really are nazis, yes. I've been studying nazis on the internet for many years and reject your notion that natural selection will just get rid of them. that's like saying that the existence of your immune system means cancer is an illusion. There is sucha thing as the immune system in animals, and it works great a lot of the time, but it can also fail. In case you hadn't noticed, fascism seems to be incre…

How is speech freer than ever before? It seems these fascist views exist because they were festering below the surface. Most of my conservative red state friends quit engaging in dialog for fear of being shamed but still talked amoungst themselves.

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Post by gaur »

grzm wrote: post #347
gaur wrote: post #341

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> there was nothing reprehensible at the time Lots of people knew proposition 8 was reprehensible and protested accordingly. Eich chose not to listen. > if we purge people based on their political opinions, why bother with democracy Purging people based on political opinions is exactly how democracy is supposed to function . We regularly vote politicians out of office because of their political opinions. What other c…

"Purging people based on political opinions is exactly how democracy is supposed to function." What does "purging" mean to you in this case? You've now provided two examples: firing and voting. What level of political disagreement justifies what actions? I don't think there's widespread agreement, and it's something I'm trying to figure out for myself.

> You've now provided two examples: firing and voting.

Voting someone out of office is firing them. We're talking about firing.

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Post by sean_patel »

tcrews wrote: post #66
Veen wrote: post #35

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> I've recently been finding it really hard to concentrate on my work I've overcome my Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter problems, but I can't seem to shake Hacker News.

I can relate to that and part of it is probably because we don't want to be left out, we don't want to miss the latest technology that will make us obsolete, etc. 1) Reading HN all the time creates a false sense that things are moving much faster than they really are. 2) I'd suggesting reading "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck" and it'll remind you your time is finite https://www.amazon.com/Subtle-Art-Not-Giving-C…

Absolutely no need to buy the book. Just read his original blog post that is more or less a TLDR; version of this bloated Amazon book. It made a huge difference in my work life. Everytime I found myself in a dumb user or arrogant dev or inept manager type situation (in meetings or emails or face-2-face), I would think back to this blog post and instantly feel better.

Mark Manson "THE SUBTLE ART OF NOT GIVING A F_CK" (12 minute read) => https://markmanson.net/not-giving-a-fuck

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Post by EdSharkey »

gaur wrote: post #336
EdSharkey wrote: post #72

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Skipping past everything before the 'but', hehe ... > however if your core beliefs are out of line with a companies beliefs then it just might make you a bad FIT for the company. Not about your opinion, but about you fit with a group of people who's opinion and beliefs are opposite. So I can veil and justify my prejudice in a company mission statement? This is busybody-ism run amok. This is institutionalized busybody…

> It's a form of cultural terrorism, where one's private ideas can get them killed. 49 people were massacred this year for going to a gay nightclub, but Eich was a victim of terrorism because he was fired? What are you smoking?

Is there a better descriptor for what Eich was put through? I'd like to hear it.

Brendan Eich contributed to the Prop 8[1] traditional marriage campaign that the California electorate voted on. It was a constitutional amendment and it passed which, in 2008, was simply stunning.

In any case, Eich was shamed retroactively for his contribution. The hate and vitriol I read directed at the man at the time was incredible. If I were him, I would have been more in fear for my life and my family's, much less holding on to my CEO position. I don't know Brendan except hearing heard him speak a bit on youtube on technical topics, maybe he's a braver soul than I am IRL.

In any case, "the use of violence or threats of violence in order to coerce, especially for political purposes" is the #1 definition of 'terrorism', which describes what happened with Eich pretty well. Fear is as powerful a weapon of terrorists as bullets or jet planes or pressure cookers are. Is this definition of terrorism and its implications well understood by you, and are you simply resistant to empathizing with someone with different politics than yours? That's all well and good until it's your ox that gets gored.

Eich wasn't fired, at least not publicly. He stepped down because the cowards/traitors on the board let him dangle with no support.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008...

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