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Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by anigbrowl » Sun, Nov 20, 2016, 6:51 PM UTC

jimktrains2 wrote: post #63

mason240 wrote: post #50

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>When you post on Facebook or Twitter, you're publishing content in the public sphere, deliberately. I would argue that Facebook is private, Twitter is public.

Regardless of your privacy settings, it's public to the system. There have been reports of accounts that can see all accounts, and regardless, if Facebook decided to change their policy, things could become public with no input from you. You have no expectation of anything on Facebook not being public.

Facebook creates such an impression with the existence of closed and secret groups, private messaging and so on. Now, i don't take their promises of privacy very seriously because I know they could change the ToS at any time and have done so before, but I think the general consumer assumes that the contents of a secret group are at least somewhat secret - not necessarily enough that it would be safe to engage in illegal activity therein, but certainly inaccessible to anyone outside of law enforcement or FB engineers.

It's not very reasonable to insist that everyone conceptualize all assurances as blatant lies all the time.

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by base698 » Sun, Nov 20, 2016, 6:51 PM UTC

Retra wrote: post #250

base698 wrote: post #228

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Are they really nazis and zealots, or were they labeled as such? How would you discus these views with the person and change their mind if you label them as unworthy of your employer. Free speech acts as Natural selection for ideas. Bad ideas never get checked and fester in filter bubbles if you don't let people express themselves openly.

How does free speech act as natural selection if there's no penalty for 'bad' speech?

I'm arguing as it is, there is no penalty, because people choose to live in a bubble and not have their views challenged.

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by hammock » Sun, Nov 20, 2016, 6:52 PM UTC

ricardobeat wrote: post #225

b3b0p wrote: post #209

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I have the same problem. I found editing my hosts files helps. 127.0.0.1 news.ycombinator.com When or if I try to go to HN I get an error in my browser and instantly reminded. Then I get back to work. One time I went 6 months without visiting HN.

HN offers this functionality itself. Go to your profile, enable 'noprocrast' and customize the intervals.

Just set it to 20min visit, 8640min break. My goal is to just read /beat and /bestcomments. Won't be able to comment myself very well this way though. Wish me luck :)

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by WA » Sun, Nov 20, 2016, 6:52 PM UTC

diegoperini wrote: post #251

Veen wrote: post #35

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> I've recently been finding it really hard to concentrate on my work I've overcome my Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter problems, but I can't seem to shake Hacker News.

Same here. HN is addictive, but also insanely useful in some cases which makes it hard to leave like any other mentioned site there. I literally owe many of my succesful professional decisions to researches that initally started here. I find some interesting article, read the comments first, then the article, then the comments again. In the middle of this flow, I decide whether it is worthy to save to my Pocket accou…

Have you checked if the articles in your Pocket share something, for example upvotes or number of comments? Because then you could browse the top posts only once per week. Either via Hckrnews [1] or use the curated Hacker Newsletter [2].

[1]: http://hckrnews.com/

[2]: http://www.hackernewsletter.com/

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by z3t4 » Sun, Nov 20, 2016, 6:52 PM UTC

hashtagMERKY wrote: post #31

This part really resonated with me: > Consider that the ability to concentrate without distraction on hard tasks is becoming increasingly valuable in an increasingly complicated economy. Social media weakens this skill because it’s engineered to be addictive. The more you use social media in the way it’s designed to be used — persistently throughout your waking hours — the more your brain learns to crave a quick hit…

randomness is very addicting, even if most stuff is not interesting, the few interesting parts keep you coming back.

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by gaur » Sun, Nov 20, 2016, 6:55 PM UTC

EdSharkey wrote: post #72

jamroom wrote: post #18

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I'm going to guess that a lot of HN does NOT think it is OK to fire people for their opinions - however if your core beliefs are out of line with a companies beliefs then it just might make you a bad FIT for the company. Not about your opinion, but about you fit with a group of people who's opinion and beliefs are opposite.

Skipping past everything before the 'but', hehe ... > however if your core beliefs are out of line with a companies beliefs then it just might make you a bad FIT for the company. Not about your opinion, but about you fit with a group of people who's opinion and beliefs are opposite. So I can veil and justify my prejudice in a company mission statement? This is busybody-ism run amok. This is institutionalized busybody…

> It's a form of cultural terrorism, where one's private ideas can get them killed.

49 people were massacred this year for going to a gay nightclub, but Eich was a victim of terrorism because he was fired? What are you smoking?

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by grzm » Sun, Nov 20, 2016, 6:56 PM UTC

eternalban wrote: post #301

grzm wrote: post #280

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"I would agree that they are distinct, but very much related." Sure. If they weren't, you wouldn't have put forth the example you did. "how about this t-shirt of Mickey/Heart/Flag: " I don't understand what you're getting at (nor am I interested in defining the working attire policy of GrubHub). My point was that there can be a meaningful distinction between nationalism and wearing a "I <3 America" T-shirt, which it…

I appreciated the distinction you made in your feedback. > [from your OP] Nationalism focusses more on cultural background, language, and heritage, which "I ︎ I picked an "American" cultural icon in conformance with your definition of nationalism. > If you have a point, please make it. Social commentary on the current attempt to render expressions of affinity for one's "cultural background, language, and heritage" as…

I mentioned in my first comment that I think there's a lot of uncharitable parsing and cherry picking going on, all around. I think that's going on here, just as I think that's going on in a lot of political discussions, and it's obscuring a lot of very real issues that people generally agree on and increasing polarization.

I'm getting that impression from you in this discussion as well. Given the email as a whole and his follow-up, I don't get the impression of a CEO that would have someone fired over either of the T-shirt examples you've given. So far in this thread, that's been implied by your argument, and that's the only thing you've put forth. I also don't think that's everything you have to say on the topic, and I'm not going to assume what that is. Building straw men is in no way a useful exercise for constructive discussion.

I think there's a lot to be said for your statement:

"Social commentary on the current attempt to render expressions of affinity for one's "cultural background, language, and heritage" as socially unacceptable, and indicative of regressive and/or antisocial mindset"

I also don't see that being fairly applied across the board by a lot of people making arguments like this.

As stated before, I don't know that much about GrubHub or the CEO. If there is other evidence based on his behavior or experiences at GrubHub, that would add to this discussion of the letter and its affect on GrubHub. As I don't have any, I don't have anything more to say on the topic.

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by tajen » Sun, Nov 20, 2016, 6:57 PM UTC

gaur wrote: post #313

tajen wrote: post #22

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> fire people, based on their opinions. Lest we forget: - Brendan Eich, former CEO of Mozilla, fired for a donation, - Douglas Crockford, uninvited from NodeVember, the general opinion is that he said something that a woman didn't like, - Tom Preston-Werner, co-founder and former CEO of GitHub, upon an unproven accusation, - And all people and the 2 colleagues who have been fired in smaller companies, in smaller even…

> Brendan Eich, former CEO of Mozilla, fired for a donation, Fired for a donation that supported enshrining discrimination in a state constitution. It was a good firing. Support nasty causes, win nasty prizes.

It was before the law was voted, and the law was in favor of his opinion at the time, therefore there was nothing reprehensible at the time.

Plus, the point is, if we purge people based on their political opinions, why bother with democracy?

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by grzm » Sun, Nov 20, 2016, 6:59 PM UTC

tajen wrote: post #338

gaur wrote: post #313

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> Brendan Eich, former CEO of Mozilla, fired for a donation, Fired for a donation that supported enshrining discrimination in a state constitution. It was a good firing. Support nasty causes, win nasty prizes.

It was before the law was voted, and the law was in favor of his opinion at the time, therefore there was nothing reprehensible at the time. Plus, the point is, if we purge people based on their political opinions, why bother with democracy?

"the law was in favor of his opinion at the time, therefore there was nothing reprehensible at the time."

What is legal is not the same as what is moral or ethical.

Figuring out how to tolerate dissent is an issue I think a lot of people are trying to figure out right now, as your statement is pointing to.

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by anigbrowl » Sun, Nov 20, 2016, 6:59 PM UTC

base698 wrote: post #228

gkya wrote: post #192

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I don't want to work with a nazi, or with a racist, or with a fundamentalist zealot. I believe it's absolutely okay to get rid of these people in a company, as work is a social environment, no matter the level of professionalism. And also they may cause harm to the organisations they're part of.

Are they really nazis and zealots, or were they labeled as such? How would you discus these views with the person and change their mind if you label them as unworthy of your employer. Free speech acts as Natural selection for ideas. Bad ideas never get checked and fester in filter bubbles if you don't let people express themselves openly.

Some people really are nazis, yes. I've been studying nazis on the internet for many years and reject your notion that natural selection will just get rid of them. that's like saying that the existence of your immune system means cancer is an illusion. There is sucha thing as the immune system in animals, and it works great a lot of the time, but it can also fail.

In case you hadn't noticed, fascism seems to be increasingly popular around the world lately despite speech being freer than ever before.