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Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by inimino »

Matt3o12_ wrote: post #26
Gys wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not understand why the focus on self driving is so much on the whole trip. 90 - 95% of the time I am driving long stretches, I spend on highways. No problem if only that part would be done selfdriving. Those few minutes in busy town centers I do not mind to do myself. No problem of driving short stretches (10 - 15 min) either.

It shows that the car would have been able to drive the route completely without a driver. This is handy if you want to pickup somebody, want to avoid high parking fees, need to charge your car without actually doing it. Doing those things right now in a Tesla is probably not safe just now, but it shows that level 5 autonomy is not so far fetched and 2020 is a realistic date.

On that particular day, under favorable conditions. There's a lot of work between 80% and 100%. Showing the 80% doesn't show anything about how long the last 20% will take.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by temgo »

yessql wrote: post #125
PinguTS wrote: post #91

Daimler done that 3 years ago even in high density city traffic. Daimler could even pass vehicles that covered half the lane and didn't need to stop for them. https://youtu.be/SUOC8tE4bdM

Very cool video. Said Daimler was using 8 radars and three cameras, so sort of the inverse of the Tesla approach. The Tesla video is a bit more exciting, because it is using a car that consumers are already driving, whereas the Mercedes has "aftermarket" sensors and a computing platform built in. Mercedes is impressive on the other hand, because that was three years ago.

A DLR/TU Braunschweig cooperation was able to drive through light traffic 6 years ago:

https://youtu.be/BrmorE5W1tM

Having a working implementation in a consumer grade car is impressive, but the ability itself is not novel.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by Klathmon »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #141
Klathmon wrote: post #139

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Perhaps the car knows it's own capabilities better than we humans do. Maybe it knows that if the joggers were to suddenly jump out, doing what you or I would do isn't enough, so it slowed down to a near stop just in case. Also, it's a bit of a "blind corner", so drifting out toward the middle of the lane might not be the best idea (again, even though it's probably something I as a person in that scenario would have d…

I've wondered about this. Totally defensive driving would reduce a car to 5mph - somebody might jump out from behind every blind corner or mailbox. Truth is, we all drive fairly irresponsibly, trusting in the rules of the road and human self-preservation to keep most stuff out of our way. And if we do hit somebody who dashes out on the freeway, well that's an accident or 'their fault' or 'nobody's fault' so no foul.…

I think it's going to take some societal change, but we will have to.

Computers are just an extension of ourselves. The people making these systems will make mistakes, these systems will kill people (and arguably already have), but hopefully they will kill less than we currently do by not having them.

There's this stigma around "computers" where people treat them differently than everything else. Yes, you're getting into a car whose programming could cause you to die, but you are always relying on this kind of thing. Getting in a regular car, you are relying on the engineer who designed the braking system to have been correct, you are relying on the factory worker to have been paying attention that day, and the QC robot to have been programmed correctly, etc...

We need to get away from that, we need to treat the computer in your car as you would treat it's braking system. Accidents will happen, people will get hurt, bugs will occur. If they are systemic, there will need to be changes, recalls, and fixes. But the car will never operate in 100% of conditions flawlessly, and neither will you.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by portman »

Klathmon wrote: post #136
oceanswave wrote: post #132

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While watching Harry Potter. Perhaps the Harry Potter theme would have been more appropriate, but I'm sure that licensing would have been prohibitive. I can hear some similarities, so maybe it was an NN based suggestion

That's still just an allegation from the driver of the semi (he said he heard harry potter playing, and there was a portable DVD player found, nothing more was released). But what is confirmed is that he was speeding at the time as well, and after that incident Tesla put out an update preventing autopilot from being set for more than 5mph over the speed limit.

>>after that incident Tesla put out an update preventing autopilot from being set for more than 5mph over the speed limit.

That's not correct. I routinely drive with autopilot set to +10mph over the speed limit.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by bane »

PinguTS wrote: post #91

Daimler done that 3 years ago even in high density city traffic. Daimler could even pass vehicles that covered half the lane and didn't need to stop for them. https://youtu.be/SUOC8tE4bdM

It's been known for a while that many of the other semi-autonomous platforms are out probably a little early compared to Tesla's and feel a bit dangerous. It's likely their fully autonomous platforms are similarly not as ready to go.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/semi-autonomous-cars-co...

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by Klathmon »

portman wrote: post #154
Klathmon wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's still just an allegation from the driver of the semi (he said he heard harry potter playing, and there was a portable DVD player found, nothing more was released). But what is confirmed is that he was speeding at the time as well, and after that incident Tesla put out an update preventing autopilot from being set for more than 5mph over the speed limit.

>> after that incident Tesla put out an update preventing autopilot from being set for more than 5mph over the speed limit. That's not correct. I routinely drive with autopilot set to +10mph over the speed limit.

Ah, looks like it's only in effect on "Residential roads or roads without a center divider".

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by IanCal »

nullc wrote: post #56
kalleboo wrote: post #41

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Autodriving 90% of the time would be a fantastic feature. Autodriving 100% of the time is where it gets revolutionary (mass-layoffs of truck drivers, taxi drivers, summon features that park cheaply outside of downtown). The former is great, but there's a lot of hype going around right now so it's not strange for people to be cynical.

I think anywhere between 80% and 99.999% would cause a lot of accidents... "good enough to not pay attention and be inattentive when it needs your help, not good enough to not need your help."

It depends on where the 80% is. If it's "80% of the roads in the country" that's one thing, if it's "at random points, at any time and on average for 20% of your journey you'll be taking control" that's another.

It's all about predictability. Even just full motorway / major road driving would be pretty awesome, and the car would know when it's coming up to a section you need to drive and you can have plenty of warning. Not "HELP DRIVER I SAW EITHER A LEAF OR A CHILD QUICK TAKE OVER"

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by frik »

zeroxfe wrote: post #117
makomk wrote: post #62

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I think the current-gen autopilot vision code is a completely different codebase from a different supplier running on different hardware than the gen 1, though, so all those improvements have probably been thrown away.

Despite the different codebases, they still have the datasets that they've collected over the years, and that's really what matters (for things like lane detection.) It would be quite weird if they didn't retrain their new models with all that data.

What does this mean? So they send all 8 video cams data to Telsa? This would mean ould mean very high upload traffic and costs - sounds unrealistic. I assume Tesa sends the GPS data, and sensor data and maybe occasional photos back to HQ, but not full videos of all 8 cameras - or do you have a source/reference?

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by IanCal »

bbarn wrote: post #150
kayoone wrote: post #133

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But why wouldn't they use old training data to make it even better ?

Could be because there'd be assertions made under the old system, that were later found to be unhelpful or unwise?

A simple one, the old system didn't have 8 cameras so you don't have the full training data you need.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by espadrine »

Reason077 wrote: post #40

Very cool demonstration (despite curious choice of music!). I did notice that the lane markings are suspiciously bright and well-painted throughout the video. Almost as if they'd been touched up by Tesla! Or maybe this area just has particularly diligent road-painting crews. In many parts of the real world you'd be lucky to get such clear lane markings throughout the journey, certainly not here in the UK or in places…

> despite curious choice of music!

I really cannot wait for next video, featuring Jean Jacques Perrey's "Little Ships".

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