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Re: WikipediaP2P

#81

Post by shmageggy »

oceanofsolaris wrote: post #48

I understand that this is an early implementation. Nevertheless, I have a question: how does it make sure the site you receive is actually the a) correct one (someone could distribute incorrect pages e.g. about controversial topics like North Korea or Climate Change; or inject some malicious code that e.g. uses your account to submit changes to wikipedia) b) most recent one (or at least a reasonably new one). I imagi…

This doesn't answer your question, but it says it's based on CacheP2P, which itself says (http://www.cachep2p.com/api.html) it's 99.99% WebTorrent (https://webtorrent.io/).

It doesn't look like WebTorrent is meant to deal with content that is continually changing, and I wasn't able to determine (after about 30 seconds of looking) how either of the two layers on top address that

Re: WikipediaP2P

#82

Post by striking »

fiatjaf wrote: post #60
detaro wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is a browser extension you explicitly have to install, from a page that explains what it does, "using your internet connection without consent"?

Not this, but cachep2p, which works in normal webpages.

You consent to it by visiting the site. If you're so incensed, block the cachep2p js file with your "hosts" file or extensions.

Re: WikipediaP2P

#83

Post by surrey-fringe »

notheguyouthink wrote: post #63
johnydepp wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely correct!! You can't call 'Climate Change' a controversy now that we all are facing the consequences already!!

My coworker doesn't "believe" in global warming, but i have some sympathy on the lack of belief. I know that for most topics i make uninformed decisions based on the information created/curated by intelligent people. Eg, global warming, vaccinations, etcetc. Sure, some of it may seem obvious, but lets be honest - i have no clue about what a vaccination does in the body, nor how climate change works. They're not schoo…

It's often easier to convince someone that something's not a big deal than to convince them that people will solve it without government intervention.

Re: WikipediaP2P

#84

Post by elliottcarlson »

lucb1e wrote: post #40
elkos wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox supports Webextension addons in all current channels.

How can I download it then? The button just throws a javascript error, and with javascript disabled it's a dead thing. Going to the chrome web thingy store it only tries to get me to download google chrome.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chrome-store-... should help.

Re: WikipediaP2P

#85

Post by ensignavenger »

osense wrote: post #61
oceanofsolaris wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's reformulate it then: topics where some actors have a strong incentive (monetary or emotional) to manipulate other peoples opinion.

I guess that's better :) To expand a bit on my previous comment, the sad part is that even though we know that the topic is not really controversial scientifically, we somehow, subconsciously, refer to it as one. Elections and all that.

Even accepting the science, there is plenty of room for controversy over what actions should be taken as a result.

Re: WikipediaP2P

#87

Post by oceanofsolaris »

shmageggy wrote: post #81
oceanofsolaris wrote: post #48

I understand that this is an early implementation. Nevertheless, I have a question: how does it make sure the site you receive is actually the a) correct one (someone could distribute incorrect pages e.g. about controversial topics like North Korea or Climate Change; or inject some malicious code that e.g. uses your account to submit changes to wikipedia) b) most recent one (or at least a reasonably new one). I imagi…

This doesn't answer your question, but it says it's based on CacheP2P, which itself says ( http://www.cachep2p.com/api.html ) it's 99.99% WebTorrent ( https://webtorrent.io/ ). It doesn't look like WebTorrent is meant to deal with content that is continually changing, and I wasn't able to determine (after about 30 seconds of looking) how either of the two layers on top address that

Thanks for actually looking into the mentioned problems instead of going on a tangent about climate change ;)

CacheP2P seems to solve the problem by including a list of sha1 hashes for all files that are distributed through P2P.

Speculation time:

I guess distributing the sha1 hashes for every wikipedia page is a bit too much (especially considering they are always changing). So with every page, you would only distribute the hash for those sites that are directly linked from it.

If you provide the correct sha1 hash for every linked website (which in turn includes the hashes of all linked websites from it...), you would form some kind of merkle-tree of wikipedia pages. Except that the graph of wikipedia pages is certainly highly cyclic (thus no tree), so this isn't feasible. And all the pages change all the time. So this naive approach has already two strikes against it and does certainly not work.

I will try to have a look at the source code at some later point, I guess.

Re: WikipediaP2P

#89

Post by thatcat »

hmexx wrote: post #67
notheguyouthink wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My coworker doesn't "believe" in global warming, but i have some sympathy on the lack of belief. I know that for most topics i make uninformed decisions based on the information created/curated by intelligent people. Eg, global warming, vaccinations, etcetc. Sure, some of it may seem obvious, but lets be honest - i have no clue about what a vaccination does in the body, nor how climate change works. They're not schoo…

Views don't have to be binary like "it's a hoax" or "the end is near". In between those 2 you have stuff like: - World may be warming but I don't believe we should act yet - World may be warming but I don't believe the actions we are taking make a difference - World is warming but I don't believe we know whether the result will be necessary a "bad thing" - World is warming but I don't believe we know the main cause -…

Problem is while those reasons may help people sleep at night, none resemble a logical chain of reasoning. Seems more like a list justifications for apathy in spite of opposing evidence bc trying is politically untenable and denying science is easier.

Re: WikipediaP2P

#90

Post by agumonkey »

janus24 wrote: post #13
gield wrote: post #7

For the sake of testing it, I have opened nearly every link in the introduction of the Nikolas Tesla [0] page, the one used in the example. It should now be possible to at least obtain all those articles through me, and hopefully also through other people. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

Doesn't seems to work for me, all links are orange.

Mine are all blue. But I run Canary so I don't have to complain.
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