I mapped out the influencer networks for Docker and Kubernetes using the tool Little Bird - you can see here[1] that the Kubernetes network is not dominated by any one subgroup: it's not an ecosystem dominated by anybody (except Google, and not in the same way as most OSS which come out of companies). So don't worry about Heptio in that way -- if anything worry that too many companies are all trying to fix the same problems, and they'll be duplicative and not economically viable.
Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise
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Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise
#12I mapped out the influencer networks for Docker and Kubernetes using the tool Little Bird - you can see here[1] that the Kubernetes network is not dominated by any one subgroup: it's not an ecosystem dominated by anybody (except Google, and not in the same way as most OSS which come out of companies). So don't worry about Heptio in that way -- if anything worry that too many companies are all trying to fix the same p…
Those graphs are very hard to read, and don't show things like stdev. It just looks like to me that docker is a much more popular project (200+ people in single groups)
Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise
#13And it begins. The birth of a company with a direct conflict of interest in making Kubernetes so simple to use/administer that you don't need to pay another company for 'enterprise support'. This happens quite frequently with open source infrastructure. Keep an eye on them to push back against improvements that directly conflict with their company's "enterprise sauce".
1. There is already a company doing that, among other things: CoreOS
2. There is usually not a "natural" conflict for companies that started out of open source projects
3. A full kubernetes deploy is already hard
I'm actually quite happy that we will now see Heptio and CoreOS pushing for boxed kubernetes deploys. Multiple entities pushing an open source core is usually a good thing.
Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise
#14I mapped out the influencer networks for Docker and Kubernetes using the tool Little Bird - you can see here[1] that the Kubernetes network is not dominated by any one subgroup: it's not an ecosystem dominated by anybody (except Google, and not in the same way as most OSS which come out of companies). So don't worry about Heptio in that way -- if anything worry that too many companies are all trying to fix the same p…
You're also welcome to look at the kubernetes stats here: https://cncf.biterg.io
You can clearly see the diverse number of contributors/companies
Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise
#15I mapped out the influencer networks for Docker and Kubernetes using the tool Little Bird - you can see here[1] that the Kubernetes network is not dominated by any one subgroup: it's not an ecosystem dominated by anybody (except Google, and not in the same way as most OSS which come out of companies). So don't worry about Heptio in that way -- if anything worry that too many companies are all trying to fix the same p…
Those graphs are very hard to read, and don't show things like stdev. It just looks like to me that docker is a much more popular project (200+ people in single groups)
They are groupings off of a network clustering based on Twitter following relationships -- scale questions aside, I think they indicate that Docker has a few tightly-connected clusters (the three big ones are roughly DevOps influencers, Docker employees, and Kubernetes folks) vs Kubernetes, which is more fragmented (if you squint the clusters are Docker, CoreOS, Red Hat, a few Google ones, etc.)
I'll try to publish a more detailed analysis soon. My hypothesis is that the K8s influencer ecosystem is not dominated by any one group or any one company, which is not surprising at this stage.
Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise
#16I mapped out the influencer networks for Docker and Kubernetes using the tool Little Bird - you can see here[1] that the Kubernetes network is not dominated by any one subgroup: it's not an ecosystem dominated by anybody (except Google, and not in the same way as most OSS which come out of companies). So don't worry about Heptio in that way -- if anything worry that too many companies are all trying to fix the same p…
You're also welcome to look at the kubernetes stats here: https://cncf.biterg.io You can clearly see the diverse number of contributors/companies
I wish I had known about this link a few months ago! I did a bunch of evil things with hastily written scripts to get some of those numbers.
Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise
#17Pardon me if this is somewhere right under my nose, but what is it that Heptio will actually do to "Bring Containers to Enterprise"? Will they maintain a commercial Kubernetes spin, ala Tectonic? Are they going to be mostly about consulting? Will they sell any add-ons?
Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise
#18Bad name. The first thing that sprang to my mind was hepatitis...
I though of seven. Is there any significance to the number one Kubernetes?
Yes, the previous projects preceding Kubernetes have a history of being Star Trek references, specifically to the Borg [1].
As to Heptio’s name, Beda explained: “When we were helping create Kubernetes, we pitched it as ‘Seven of Nine,’ a ‘Star Trek: Voyager’ character who’s a former Borg drone. That was a reference to the Borg, a code name for Google’s internal version of Kubernetes, the thing that runs its search and apps and ads. It’s total geek culture. We wanted a friendlier Borg. That name turned into ‘Project Seven.’ When we went public with Kubernetes, we didn’t want to lose track of the ‘seven.’ The Kubernetes logo has seven sides. ‘Hept’ is the Greek prefix for ‘seven,’ and it’s a way to pull the ‘seven’ through.”
[1] http://www.geekwire.com/2016/ever-come-kooky-kubernetes-name...
Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise
#19How many founders does k8s? I thought it was Brendan Burns
Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise
#20Isn't Kubernetes used 100% at Google, IBM etc? Isn't that already Enterprise? What is the market Heptio is targetting here?