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Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by hueving »

And it begins. The birth of a company with a direct conflict of interest in making Kubernetes so simple to use/administer that you don't need to pay another company for 'enterprise support'.

This happens quite frequently with open source infrastructure. Keep an eye on them to push back against improvements that directly conflict with their company's "enterprise sauce".

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by ktamiola »

I think this is awesome news. We have been experimenting with container engines for past 3 months. We are building a massive API backed for bioinformatics where container orchestration and wrapping of heterogenous tools seems to be the way to go.

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by ktamiola »

hueving wrote: post #2

And it begins. The birth of a company with a direct conflict of interest in making Kubernetes so simple to use/administer that you don't need to pay another company for 'enterprise support'. This happens quite frequently with open source infrastructure. Keep an eye on them to push back against improvements that directly conflict with their company's "enterprise sauce".

That indeed might be an issue in a long run. In reverse order we can see this story paralleled by MongoDB.

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by 101km »

hueving wrote: post #2

And it begins. The birth of a company with a direct conflict of interest in making Kubernetes so simple to use/administer that you don't need to pay another company for 'enterprise support'. This happens quite frequently with open source infrastructure. Keep an eye on them to push back against improvements that directly conflict with their company's "enterprise sauce".

The overall stewards and interests behind Kubernetes have a greater interest in making it simple to use and administer.

It isn't quite there yet but things are improving on that front all the time and will be significantly better for newbies in a few more versions. In other words, it is getting there, don't worry about it.

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by paukiatwee »

hueving wrote: post #2

And it begins. The birth of a company with a direct conflict of interest in making Kubernetes so simple to use/administer that you don't need to pay another company for 'enterprise support'. This happens quite frequently with open source infrastructure. Keep an eye on them to push back against improvements that directly conflict with their company's "enterprise sauce".

I think this is different from other company in the sense that they dont own Kubernetes.

It is unlike, for example, Influxdata that they own InfluxDB and dont integrate clustering capability into open source edition.

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by hueving »

101km wrote: post #5
hueving wrote: post #2

And it begins. The birth of a company with a direct conflict of interest in making Kubernetes so simple to use/administer that you don't need to pay another company for 'enterprise support'. This happens quite frequently with open source infrastructure. Keep an eye on them to push back against improvements that directly conflict with their company's "enterprise sauce".

The overall stewards and interests behind Kubernetes have a greater interest in making it simple to use and administer. It isn't quite there yet but things are improving on that front all the time and will be significantly better for newbies in a few more versions. In other words, it is getting there, don't worry about it.

True, but I've seen enough of it now that open source politics should almost be a field to major in. :)

It's never blatant, it's always calls for seemingly good things like extra pluggable points to make sure we don't favor particular solutions. Then it's making sure that any decision is brought to a huge vote by a giant committee that spends weeks arguing about if it's something they should even decide on, etc.

Ultimately there are ways to do immense damage to open source communities with small well placed "concerns" that seed doubt. Usually it's a mailing list post (or github issue) with some grand question like "Is X something Kubernetes should really be doing?" followed by bullet points outlining other unrelated issues that "we should be focusing on" and to "leave X up to other tools because the solutions are a matter of taste and therefore there is no right solution."

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by Perceptes »

hueving wrote: post #2

And it begins. The birth of a company with a direct conflict of interest in making Kubernetes so simple to use/administer that you don't need to pay another company for 'enterprise support'. This happens quite frequently with open source infrastructure. Keep an eye on them to push back against improvements that directly conflict with their company's "enterprise sauce".

Note that this is just some people who helped start the project when they were at Google, and both of them have since left. Kubernetes is managed by the Cloud Native Computing Foundation, and a very large number of companies are involved in managing the project's direction with an open governance model. There are diverse enough interests already that there isn't really any risk of one company's interests driving the project off course in a way that's harmful for the larger Kubernetes community.
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