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Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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> That's why I left Russia and I hope forever! > dirty rotten mouths of nasty Kremlin bastards > Heck, the majority of Russians doesn't even bother to learn elementary English! > Stupid people buy everything Kremlin tells them, including version about protecting Russian citizens from US NSA. > thanks to backward masses > P.S. I hope to get rid of toxic Russian citizenship in the future. I think the only thing toxic h…

This majority is totally fine to imprison unwanted minorities. This majority is totally fine to restrict my freedoms. This majority thinks they are right because they are majority . So in short, the majority asks me to sacrifice myself for their sake because I'm in minority and they are in majority. If so, f##k them! P.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged

I think it is completely appalling how russian majority treats minorities, I'm not even talking about political parties or freedom of speech. Homosexuals and smaller ethnicities there are having hard time. A friend of mine lived in Russia, being half black - the constant racism from general populace forced him to leave. I like russian people but not russian society. Some psychologists say that societies have collective consciousness, whatever that is, in the case of Russia it has many scars and it just can't be pretty, that's probably one of the reasons russians are attached to their literary cultural identity. I give them that, their literature is great, although it's problematic that so many russians still think that their culture is somehow superior to others.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Uh... You can't send a national security letter to a foreign company that has no presence in the US. Well, you can probably send it, but since the foreign company is not bound by US laws, they can ignore it and even publish it (this is my understanding, IANAL). The whole point of this Russian law is to remove this limitation.

The State department has gone after companies that had no US presence, they did so on the basis of Americans using the website which they feel gives them jurisdiction. It's very similar to that.

What are some of those companies? I'd be curious to read about that. Because it doesn't sound like the state dept. has any legal basis here, just American specialism.

At any rate, US is not the bastion of freedom that Russia's actions should be compared to. Especially so when it involves three-letter agencies.

To clarify the distinction I'm trying to make - yes, US doing some shady shit, mostly trying to keep it in secret. Russia is explicitly legalizing such shady shit. And doing even shadier shit in secret.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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As a Russian citizen, I used LinkedIn heavily to find jobs in Europe (along with stackoverflow.com/jobs). I keep a lot of contacts there (e.g. former colleagues and European recruiters, some of them are very helpful). I found it's alarming that LinkedIn is blocked in Russia. Blocking LinkedIn significantly reduces chances to find a job in Europe. But I expected that since I watched closely on new laws restricting int…

> That's why I left Russia and I hope forever! > dirty rotten mouths of nasty Kremlin bastards > Heck, the majority of Russians doesn't even bother to learn elementary English! > Stupid people buy everything Kremlin tells them, including version about protecting Russian citizens from US NSA. > thanks to backward masses > P.S. I hope to get rid of toxic Russian citizenship in the future. I think the only thing toxic h…

" Don't be a dick because some people are less fortunate than you and didn't have an opportunity to learn critical thinking."

This is just a bit more polite way of calling them stupid.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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As people point out in comments below, the law does no such thing. It doesn't prohibit storing user data outside of Russia, so it doesn't offer any privacy protections whatsoever. What it does is require that data to also be stored inside Russia, where it is subject to warrants (and warrantless wiretapping under SORM-2 and similar arrangements). Which is really everything you need to know about the purpose of the law…

Got it. Thanks for coming out and stating that it is your cultural norm to look at Russia and Russians through the prism of your own enduring propaganda and intellectualized cliches.

I'm Russian. The only cliches that I have about Russia are those derived from my experience growing up and living in Russia for 25 years of my life, before finally deciding that it isn't going to get any better, and there's nothing I can do to fix it.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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As a Russian citizen, I used LinkedIn heavily to find jobs in Europe (along with stackoverflow.com/jobs). I keep a lot of contacts there (e.g. former colleagues and European recruiters, some of them are very helpful). I found it's alarming that LinkedIn is blocked in Russia. Blocking LinkedIn significantly reduces chances to find a job in Europe. But I expected that since I watched closely on new laws restricting int…

Why should Russia allow a US company to mine private data about its citizens on a large scale when it is known that the US government basically can force any US company to hand over any data it desires. That's why they have passed a law whereby private data from social networks about its citizens has to be stored within Russia and must not be transmitted to any other country. Linkedin knew that but they ignored it, p…

The question here is whether the government should deal with personal data access rights or the people themselves.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Technically it has, but only for unencrypted communications and without cooperation from internet companies. Which they really want to change with all the new laws and everything.

So the assertion is that Russian intelligence services cannot thwart encryption, including the encryption that it standardized for civilian use? If this were true, I would feel very comfortable speaking about politics in Russia, as in the United States all consumer-grade encryption is being broken by our intelligence services.

I'm not sure what you mean by "civilian use encryption". If it's SSL, then I don't see how they would have the means - so far as I know, it's still cryptographically secure, and unlike US, they can't just force certificate authorities to cooperate and allow them to do MITM.

There have been some attempts by the ISPs to enable MITM, but it's very crude - they basically block SSL, except for their own custom root certificate that they explicitly require you to install, and then they use that to MITM you. It's all very blatant, and I think there was only one ISP actually trying to do it.

Also, I'm not aware of any cases of dissenters caught because their encryption was broken. Most people who get persecuted for their views said all the things they did out in the open, either to make a stand, or because they were careless.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Nah, having lived in such a country (ex-USSR), I'm pretty confident to call most of who still lives there stupid as fuck in regards to the bigger picture . When you live with such people long enough but still can't understand what the flying fuck is everyone thinking, then it's either you're insane or them. Sometimes it turns out it's them. 50% of the world's population is literally dumber than the average.

*than the median

* for IQ (a normal distribution), the mean and the median (and the mode for that matter) are the same number.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Why should Russia allow a US company to mine private data about its citizens on a large scale when it is known that the US government basically can force any US company to hand over any data it desires. That's why they have passed a law whereby private data from social networks about its citizens has to be stored within Russia and must not be transmitted to any other country. Linkedin knew that but they ignored it, p…

The question here is whether the government should deal with personal data access rights or the people themselves.

That was my point. As a libertarian I would in general tend towards not having the government involved with this stuff, but Russia and the US are two countries which have bad relations at the moment and there's uncertainty if they might have a military conflict in the near future.

Here it's hard to say if it is justified as I do not know what the US secret services and the US military might be able to do with this kind of data in a conflict. (having the passwords of XX million Russians could be devastating in a cyberattack as many will do the stupid thing and reuse the same password everywhere)

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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The question here is whether the government should deal with personal data access rights or the people themselves.

That was my point. As a libertarian I would in general tend towards not having the government involved with this stuff, but Russia and the US are two countries which have bad relations at the moment and there's uncertainty if they might have a military conflict in the near future. Here it's hard to say if it is justified as I do not know what the US secret services and the US military might be able to do with this ki…

They already have the passwords. Also, Russia doesn't and won't force any company to store users' data exclusively under their jurisdiction, as this would not allow any foreign company to operate in Russia, making your arguments incorrect.
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