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Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by jonathankoren »

FT_intern wrote: post #63
jasonkostempski wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last month I had to spend an hour making sure someone hadn't opened a LinkedIn account under my 8 year olds name after his aunt asked us why LinkedIn is suggesting she connect with him. Turned out she had his iCloud email in her contacts because she FaceTimes with him. LinkedIn thought it was OK to use her contact list to make it appear like he had an account there. The bastards found a way to waste my time even thou…

I assume that LinkedIn has made deals with third party social networks to get the creepy connection suggestions. I'm curious how much $$$ is involved

You would be wrong.

It really isn't hard to build PYMK. It's basically just triangle closing on common friends and address book import.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

jwtadvice wrote: post #67
hal9000xp wrote: post #45

As a Russian citizen, I used LinkedIn heavily to find jobs in Europe (along with stackoverflow.com/jobs). I keep a lot of contacts there (e.g. former colleagues and European recruiters, some of them are very helpful). I found it's alarming that LinkedIn is blocked in Russia. Blocking LinkedIn significantly reduces chances to find a job in Europe. But I expected that since I watched closely on new laws restricting int…

> The real motivation is that the Kremlin loves to spy on its own citizens. And they already did that for a long time. This doesn't prevent or help Russia from spying on its own citizens. I get that you are anxious. But the traffic that travels from your computer to servers outside of Russia is just as easy to spy on for Russian intelligence services as the case where the servers are located inside the country. It do…

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Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by jwtadvice »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #76
jwtadvice wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The real motivation is that the Kremlin loves to spy on its own citizens. And they already did that for a long time. This doesn't prevent or help Russia from spying on its own citizens. I get that you are anxious. But the traffic that travels from your computer to servers outside of Russia is just as easy to spy on for Russian intelligence services as the case where the servers are located inside the country. It do…

But the traffic that travels from your computer to servers outside of Russia is just as easy to spy on for Russian intelligence services as the case where the servers are located inside the country. Ehh.. no? TLS protects the data against snooping, but only borders protect you from warrants. Russia based servers are subject to Russian law and warrants.

> TLS protects the data against snooping

I see that the tacit assumption in this thread is that the FSB can't defeat simple consumer encryption.

The certificates in Russian citizens' browsers allow the Russian government to intercept their communications. This is just one of hundreds of weaknesses to that belief.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by andreiw »

int_19h wrote: post #75
andreiw wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The great thing about guys like you is your astounding hypocrisy, the chutzpah with which you claim authority to represent Russians, and disdain for the "unwashed masses". If literally any other government introduced similar legislation to protect citizen data, it would be considered progressive and relevant to the times we live in. In Russia? "Nasty kremlin bastards". The sheer gall to consider that your own interpr…

As people point out in comments below, the law does no such thing. It doesn't prohibit storing user data outside of Russia, so it doesn't offer any privacy protections whatsoever. What it does is require that data to also be stored inside Russia, where it is subject to warrants (and warrantless wiretapping under SORM-2 and similar arrangements). Which is really everything you need to know about the purpose of the law…

Got it. Thanks for coming out and stating that it is your cultural norm to look at Russia and Russians through the prism of your own enduring propaganda and intellectualized cliches.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by SanFranManDan »

hal9000xp wrote: post #45

As a Russian citizen, I used LinkedIn heavily to find jobs in Europe (along with stackoverflow.com/jobs). I keep a lot of contacts there (e.g. former colleagues and European recruiters, some of them are very helpful). I found it's alarming that LinkedIn is blocked in Russia. Blocking LinkedIn significantly reduces chances to find a job in Europe. But I expected that since I watched closely on new laws restricting int…

> That's why I left Russia and I hope forever!

> dirty rotten mouths of nasty Kremlin bastards

> Heck, the majority of Russians doesn't even bother to learn elementary English!

> Stupid people buy everything Kremlin tells them, including version about protecting Russian citizens from US NSA.

> thanks to backward masses

> P.S. I hope to get rid of toxic Russian citizenship in the future.

I think the only thing toxic here is how you write and view other humans and your fellow countrymen as inferior beings.

I have no Russian heritage, but I lived in rural cities around Russia for a year and was there another 6 months in Moscow after Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia is definitely much different from the Western world and there are a lot of things I disagree with, but I would never call anyone stupid for supporting Putin or the government.

Calling folks stupid and backward for supporting stuff you dont support is just you thinking you are better than everyone else when you are not. Don't be a dick because some people are less fortunate than you and didn't have an opportunity to learn critical thinking. Even people much smarter than you might support what you don't like. The world isn't black and white.

You are in for a rude awakening if you believe that other governments don't lie to their citizens. Whatever government you currently support and get your new citizenship from, you are a pawn and part of the "backward masses" for whatever fucked up scheme that government is cooking up to screw you over.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by tobltobs »

jwtadvice wrote: post #83
nothrabannosir wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the traffic that travels from your computer to servers outside of Russia is just as easy to spy on for Russian intelligence services as the case where the servers are located inside the country. Ehh.. no? TLS protects the data against snooping, but only borders protect you from warrants. Russia based servers are subject to Russian law and warrants.

> TLS protects the data against snooping I see that the tacit assumption in this thread is that the FSB can't defeat simple consumer encryption. The certificates in Russian citizens' browsers allow the Russian government to intercept their communications. This is just one of hundreds of weaknesses to that belief.

I guess everbody wants to know now how those certificates are included in Russian citizens browsers. Care to enlighten us?

And while you are at it you could also tell us how this regulation

> make it more difficult for the US to spy on Russian citizens

???

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by zzzcpan »

jwtadvice wrote: post #83
nothrabannosir wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the traffic that travels from your computer to servers outside of Russia is just as easy to spy on for Russian intelligence services as the case where the servers are located inside the country. Ehh.. no? TLS protects the data against snooping, but only borders protect you from warrants. Russia based servers are subject to Russian law and warrants.

> TLS protects the data against snooping I see that the tacit assumption in this thread is that the FSB can't defeat simple consumer encryption. The certificates in Russian citizens' browsers allow the Russian government to intercept their communications. This is just one of hundreds of weaknesses to that belief.

> The certificates in Russian citizens' browsers allow the Russian government to intercept their communications.

There are no government certs in Russian citizens' browsers at the moment. Furthermore, government mandated hardware, that ISPs have to install, is not installed in a configuration permitting any kind of MITM, it only sees mirrored traffic.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by jwtadvice »

int_19h wrote: post #73
jwtadvice wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The real motivation is that the Kremlin loves to spy on its own citizens. And they already did that for a long time. This doesn't prevent or help Russia from spying on its own citizens. I get that you are anxious. But the traffic that travels from your computer to servers outside of Russia is just as easy to spy on for Russian intelligence services as the case where the servers are located inside the country. It do…

No, it does make a huge difference, actually. If the traffic is travelling to outside servers, it can be encrypted, and there's no mitigation that they can do to get access. But if it ends up on the servers inside the country, they control the endpoint where it has to be decrypted to be processed. Then it becomes a kind of a reverse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM#SORM-2 set-up, with every prominent service provid…

Mentioned this in another thread off the same converasion: Russia intelligence services can almost certainly break consumer grade encryption.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by zzzcpan »

jwtadvice wrote: post #88
int_19h wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it does make a huge difference, actually. If the traffic is travelling to outside servers, it can be encrypted, and there's no mitigation that they can do to get access. But if it ends up on the servers inside the country, they control the endpoint where it has to be decrypted to be processed. Then it becomes a kind of a reverse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM#SORM-2 set-up, with every prominent service provid…

Mentioned this in another thread off the same converasion: Russia intelligence services can almost certainly break consumer grade encryption.

There is no supporting infrastructure for this at the moment, even if you presume, that they stole secret keys from some CAs.
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