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Post by StavrosK »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #325
StavrosK wrote: post #262

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Then it's a failure in marketing, as the fire deparment doesn't market itself as "department for throwing water at houses". Maybe BLM should be more clear about its goals? I'm not really up-to-speed with US politics, but I know it's horrifying how easily and with impunity the police have been killing black people. Still, "Black lives matter" isn't a great slogan, and calling "all lives matter" racist definitely seems…

Yeah its a knee-jerk reaction and sad. The more accurate slogan would be "Black Lives Also Matter" but that isn't as effective. I think we all really understand that's what "Black Lives Matter" means. The real question is, why the strong counter-reaction? Why the sophistry around the slogan? What is that covering for?

I don't live in the US, so I'm out of that particular loop, but I was talking to an american friend of mine about police shootings and he told me about BLM, and I said "but it seems to me that the issue isn't that the police shouldn't be killing black people, it's that the police shouldn't be killing anyone!".

It seems that the argument has been framed around black people's mistreatment in general, which is fair enough, but, when specifically talking about the police, it seems to me that getting the latter to be less trigger-happy would alleviate the problem for all races, which is why I find the focus on black people a bit odd.

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Post by StavrosK »

throwanem wrote: post #349
StavrosK wrote: post #296

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> But the likelihood of a randomly selected example rearing children is vastly higher than that for a randomly selected homosexual couple. Okay, but why guess? We already register children and parents, so only issue marriage licenses when a couple has a child. That takes the guessing out of it. > but to do so in practice not only massively increases the bureaucracy and cost involved and brings in creepy edge cases, b…

What about postmenopausal women, a point raised elsewhere in this discussion? What about men and women who simply aren't fertile, for whatever reason? What about families in places where births aren't registered? Such places still exist. What about the death of a couple's only child? Is the marriage thereby annulled? What effect has all this on divorce? "Creepy edge cases." And I can't see how maintaining all this ad…

> What about postmenopausal women, a point raised elsewhere in this discussion?

What about them? By your logic, won't be able to get married, unless they adopt, since they can't have kids, it's clear-cut.

> What about men and women who simply aren't fertile, for whatever reason?

Same, no marriage, unless they adopt.

> What about families in places where births aren't registered? Such places still exist.

Can't get married unless they register their kids. We can't have them benefitting from the institution of marriage if they aren't willing to do the legwork.

> What about the death of a couple's only child?

Could go either way, they gave it a shot. I'd be for letting them stay married.

> What effect has all this on divorce?

I don't know, what effect does not letting homosexuals get married have on divorce? Same deal.

> "Creepy edge cases."

Not really, though, they have pretty easy answers.

> And I can't see how maintaining all this additional information on which married status is now contingent (unless it's not!) could be achieved without a massive increase of bureaucracy, with its concomitant cost.

What's the additional information? It's literally "do you have any children? yes/no", which the state already has. You're literally advocating guesswork instead of using one simple and readily available piece of information.

I don't know, these arguments are so bad that I feel like you're trying to avoid recognizing that my solution is clearly superior. It makes me wonder what the real reason for you being against homosexual marriage is.

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Post by 794CD01 »

pron wrote: post #336
kofejnik wrote: post #308

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Just stumbled upon exactly this: "Equality Twitter demonstrates the SJW commitment to one of the five fundamental pillars of their social justice ideology. I fucking hate white people and their inconsiderate asses for voting for Trump. Fuck you! 1:57 AM 9 Nov 2016 Twitter, in response to a complaint about the above tweet: Thank you for reporting this issue to us. Our goal is to create a safe environment for everyone…

You're treating this as if blacks and whites are somehow symmetrical in the context of American society. No serious social scientist would treat the two expressed views as equivalent.

Which doesn't discredit the equivalence, it discredits social scientists, since any layman can look at the two statements and see that they are facially the same.

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Post by king_wentz »

jimmywanger wrote: post #293
matt4077 wrote: post #266

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That's a bit of a caricature. You're fighting some imagined liberals that you can possibly find on tumblr, not out there in the real world. There are really not that many fighting on the internet about who said what about who's sexual identity. Liberals care about someone who has to work 12 hours a day for minimum wage, has no meaningful time with their children, has to go to work even when sick or risk being fired,…

>Liberals care about someone who has to work 12 hours a day for minimum wage, has no meaningful time with their children, has to go to work even when sick or risk being fired, is possibly just a broken bone away from homelessness, and is preyed on by the financial industry with fraudulent credits etc. Oh – and when they get home, there's Mit Romney on FOX saying poor people are lazy. Ridiculous. I can't tell you how…

Someone using an iPhone doesn't invalidate their views - are they supposed to suddenly stop using a phone as a statement to the world?

I see plenty of issues with Chinese laborers working in slave-like conditions. I'm happy to discuss breaking trade treaties and dealing with the consequences to give these people better lives. I'd say their condition is worse than the American poor - so if anything, we should bias towards them.

But, we have power to fix these things within the bounds of our nation and refuse to do it. We have more influence over our country than any other.

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Post by gaius »

RileyKyeden wrote: post #371
gaius wrote: post #365

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But if they are not equivalent, it logically follows that equality is not the goal, is that what you intended to say?

Here you go (the many linked articles with the variations are helpful): https://medium.com/@CRA1G/the-evolution-of-an-accidental-mem...

Nope, sorry, discrimination on basis of skin colour is wrong whoever does it.

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Post by sethrin »

jimmywanger wrote: post #373
sethrin wrote: post #364

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I don't know who you have been confirming your biases with, but you have arrived at a position in contradiction of fact. To the degree to which gender is not a social construct, it does not seem to be perfectly aligned with sex. I don't really have the stomach to dissect your Napoleon analogy, but instead I will simply note that you have made a false equivalence and suggest that laughing at or trivializing peoples' m…

> There is no reason to compare these two things, and the worrying implication of your reasoning is that any injury to a minority can be absolved if the majority can be shown to have suffered some other harm. You are missing the main thrust of my argument. Transgender issues are such a vanishingly small portion of the population of course people who speak about the economy will get more traction. And people who fixat…

Let's be clear, the focus on transgender rights is a conservative one. Conservatives lost the fight on gay marriage and needed another moral crusade to rile up their base. So far it has been quite effective. Transgender persons are as you say, a tiny minority, and politically a nonentity. The status quo on bathroom laws was really just fine. Trans people are more worried about nomenclature and paying for therapy, and reducing the amount of nonsense required to legally change one's gender marker. Some progressive institutions were voluntarily providing accommodations for trans persons, partially as a safety issue as they are very frequently targets of violence, and this was also uncontroversial.

The main thrust of your argument was that we must either talk about jobs or trans issues. This is a false dichotomy. I'd say it's a pretty clever way to control public opinion, but we've seen these same rhetorical tactics being used against gay rights for some decades now. It seems to be very effective with the more emotionally driven populace.

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Post by ascagnel_ »

BurningFrog wrote: post #154
spamizbad wrote: post #45

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There are several major "right wing" corporations that do just that. As a consumer you can make your choices accordingly (Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A come to mind) You might be inclined to grant someone permission to stand on your lawn, but chances are if they stood on your lawn and then held up a sign that said "Send Jews to the gas chambers!" you'd likely ask them to leave. And if they refused, you'd eventually for…

Are you saying Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A have banned leftist from shopping there?

Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A have moved to force their world-view on others.

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Post by antisthenes »

jsmith0295 wrote: post #214
metilda wrote: post #193

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Huh, out on the West Coast I've only encountered a minor amount of this coddling "it's all white racists fault" BS on college campuses. I've expected more, but the worst I've seen is pronoun related (aka "What's your pronoun?"), which I respond to with schlee, cause fuck tracking someone else's pronoun, that is not my job. Use what you want, don't try to force me to remember your shit (name, pronoun, etc)!

In my personal experience there seems to be a pretty big difference based on the age. People who are like 26 are much less aggressive about it than people who are 18-22.

Sounds like the trope "anyone who was not a liberal at 20 years of age had no heart, while anyone who was still a liberal at 40 had no head" still holds true.

Considering how dumb/immature the average product of an American high school is at 18, I'm not surprised they think like that (and are aggressive about their beliefs) Also, considering how some choose to treat college like an extended party, they carry over the same traits to 22.

But hopefully, the job market hitting them in the face after graduation beats some liberal bullshit out of them.

Also, class warfare and money will always trump identity politics and all that social justice BS. If there's anything the US can get behind it's their hatred of the poor (yes, well-off left are just as guilty of this, just more implicitly)

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Post by dreta »

micaksica wrote: post #8

I'm not a fan of the "alt-right" or a lot of its subculture. I also don't find it particularly "alt", as much as it is "far" right. It is a lot of the ideas that powered the NSDAP enveloped in the language of the Internet and memes, with the targets broadened from Jewry to non-whites in general. However, I'm also not a fan of suspending these accounts for controversial views if they are not harassing people on the Tw…

Milo never called raids on Leslie, and Leslie stated on national TV, she’ll send mobs after people who are mean to her, and posted tweets like these https://twitter.com/Lesdoggg/status/755218642674020352

Twitter has a history of banning right-wing accounts for petty tweets, and leaving alone left-wing accounts that spread hashtags like #KillAllMen, and post sexist tweets against men, or racist tweets against white people. Twitter also is notorious for banning anti-muslim tweets, or even accounts ran by activists fighting for women rights in islamic countries.

It’s in their right to do this, but don’t talk about this like Twitter’s doing something warranting a discussion.

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Post by RileyKyeden »

gaius wrote: post #395
RileyKyeden wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you go (the many linked articles with the variations are helpful): https://medium.com/@CRA1G/the-evolution-of-an-accidental-mem...

Nope, sorry, discrimination on basis of skin colour is wrong whoever does it.

Please find someone who advocated for this and reply to their comment instead of cluttering mine up.
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