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Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by lisivka »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #15
lisivka wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Risk of leaking of databases, which are vital for their business, is too high, IMHO. Did you remember closed government databases, with private information, written on CD and sold at Gorbushka for pennies?

That risk isn't bigger than anywhere else since we are talking about private company really concerned about security. How many leaks were there through government channels from Mail.ru Group or Yandex? None, and the reason is that, given all necessary security measures taken, you cannot just copy such a database to CD. The access will be limited to few well-paid people in IT Ops, the database can be secured using a s…

AFAIK, you can buy mail.ru databases[1]. Quote:

«A vendor going by the online handle of “saul_berenson” is selling 57 million Mail.ru accounts on darknet in BTC 1.0000 (628.78 US Dollar).

The sold data includes emails and MD5 passwords of Mail.ru users. According to the seller, “these passwords are very easy to crack.” Remember Mail.ru was hacked twice, one in July and August 2016 when 27 million accounts were stolen and before that in May 2016 when 57 million accounts were stolen. We suspect that the stolen data is from May 2016 breach.

Yandex is another Russian Internet giant serving as the country’s largest search engine and like Mail.ru the corporation has been under attack by hackers numerous times. However, now, a vendor is selling 6.5 million Yandex accounts containing emails and passwords. The total number of sold accounts is 659,5756 with both hashed and clear-text passwords.»

The whole idea of an government operation, like that, is to put finger first, then whole hand. When data will be in Russia, government will demand 24x7 access to it. Then data will be copied somewhere, then sold.

[1] https://www.hackread.com/utorrent-forum-mailru-yandex-data-d...

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by jasonkostempski »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #16

Honestly, if LinkedIn disappeared today worldwide, I wouldn't miss it one second. It's really more of a chore than anything else. When you're looking for a job, or looking to recruit, it's helpful, but they haven't made the case of general everyday use, and I doubt they ever will.

Last month I had to spend an hour making sure someone hadn't opened a LinkedIn account under my 8 year olds name after his aunt asked us why LinkedIn is suggesting she connect with him. Turned out she had his iCloud email in her contacts because she FaceTimes with him. LinkedIn thought it was OK to use her contact list to make it appear like he had an account there. The bastards found a way to waste my time even though I have no account with them. Humanity would be generally better off without LinkedIn.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by paganel »

dualogy wrote: post #23
nkrisc wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about the economy, it's about control. Give them control or get out. Eventually the only companies left are those that will acquiesce to Russian demands.

From how I understanding "Russian state philosophy" (if there's such a thing) I'd even intuitively assume they're not necessarily primarily interested in gathering everything-about-everyone but in ensuring no other party (especially private western/multinational corps) gain potentially such an information advantage over them. We've arrived in an age when non-sovereign entities can gain leverage over sovereign entitie…

That's my understanding of it, also. Just the other day I was discussing with a work colleague about what would have happened had FB not been blocked in China almost from the very beginning. Imagine all the Chinese' people data sitting on a server a couple of keystrokes away from entities like the NSA. Our example, made half-jokingly, was something along the lines of: "Imagine how much information you can gain just by tracking the GPS positions of the personal secretaries attached to important Chinese Communist Party power figures".

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by dekhn »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #30

It still blows my mind that people are on linkedin. If you are not a recruiter/hiring manager it's only real purpose (that I can see) is to be a boasting board for achievements and a easy to ignore place to receive recruiting emails. Does anyone get any other value out of it?

sure, I use it to manage connections to people who meet me at conferences.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by afterburner »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #30

It still blows my mind that people are on linkedin. If you are not a recruiter/hiring manager it's only real purpose (that I can see) is to be a boasting board for achievements and a easy to ignore place to receive recruiting emails. Does anyone get any other value out of it?

"receive recruiting emails"

That's pretty much it, right? That, and very easy job applications. Nowhere have I had an easier time applying for a job.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by QUFB »

lisivka wrote: post #12
ivan_gammel wrote: post #3

That was quick - it's already not accessible from Megafon cellular networks. LinkedIn is quite popular among international HRs hiring software developers in Russia. HRs may still have access, but the workforce now does not. What was the point not to comply with regulatory requirements? Too small market? Too hard to throw some user data to a server in some Moscow datacenter for persistent storage?

Risk of leaking of databases, which are vital for their business, is too high, IMHO. Did you remember closed government databases, with private information, written on CD and sold at Gorbushka for pennies?

LinkedIn doesn't seem to mind if their Chinese databases are leaked; they complied with similar requirements there. If the market in Russia were as large as China, I'm certain they would make a compromise too.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by devoply »

frozenport wrote: post #8
devoply wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the end of the day, creating many of these services is trivial. Creating a LinkedIn clone is trivial, and one will pop up in Russia giving some Russian owners profit and creating jobs for Russians. So how it's bad for the Russian economy, or the economy of any country to do this, is beyond me. On the other hand, dictatorships and capitalist democracies love to gather as much information as they can on their citize…

Because a large part of the Russian software market is overseas.and many developers work on contract. Further, this helps the Kremlin's agenda which has lead to economic stagnation, and the average gdp of Russians dropping below that of China.

Doesn't seem like it: https://www.google.ca/search?q=russia+gdp

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by devoply »

nkrisc wrote: post #14
devoply wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the end of the day, creating many of these services is trivial. Creating a LinkedIn clone is trivial, and one will pop up in Russia giving some Russian owners profit and creating jobs for Russians. So how it's bad for the Russian economy, or the economy of any country to do this, is beyond me. On the other hand, dictatorships and capitalist democracies love to gather as much information as they can on their citize…

It's not about the economy, it's about control. Give them control or get out. Eventually the only companies left are those that will acquiesce to Russian demands.

Same as National Security Letter. You give the government what it wants, or else. At the end of the day the difference is soft power vs. hard power. The thugs dressing in nice suits and having their agents mess your business up through audits or lawsuits, or thugs sending their secret police to mess you up. The end result is they get what they want no matter what.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by Florin_Andrei »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #30

It still blows my mind that people are on linkedin. If you are not a recruiter/hiring manager it's only real purpose (that I can see) is to be a boasting board for achievements and a easy to ignore place to receive recruiting emails. Does anyone get any other value out of it?

Think of it as a recruiters database. Works pretty well that way. Need a new job? Just message everyone.

It's not social media. That's Facebook, etc.

At least that's how I see it.

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