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This is a corporation enforcing its world view. Would you say the same if Twitter were owned by the right-wing and was banning left wing users?
It's voluntary and free. If you don't like it build your own or go elsewhere. It is their community. Clearly they have made their choice over the cost/benefit of continued association with some people.
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That disconnect is because the definition of racism has changed over the last 8 years in practice, and since the development of privilege theory and systemic racism in academia ~30 years ago.[0] Racism used to be something you did if you were white; now it's just "who you are". Since the civil right movement 50 years ago, white Americans have agreed to a racial compact: - whites are banned from doing anything overtly…
> That disconnect is because the definition of racism has changed over the last 8 years in practice, and since the development of "systemic racism" in theory. What you call "systemic racism" has been known simply as "racism" in academic circles for the past few decades . Put succinctly, in research circles, racism is the property of a society that results in grossly unequal distribution of power among social groups v…
First, social scientists are overwhelmingly liberal. Normally, I don't have a problem with an appeal to "academic circles" as I'm in them. But this is a legitimate reason, I think, for conservatives to be skeptical of the motivations and reasoning here in such a politically-fraught topic.
Secondly, redefining words with existing meanings is a bad idea that only leads to confusion. A crude analogy: imagine I redefine the word "moron" to mean "an uninformed consumer of news". Then, I go around calling people "moron", and am surprised when they are offended, and are not placated when I tell them the word's new meaning. They might wonder: might I not have chosen that particular word to make uninformed consumers of news appear worse than they really are?
I think it is disingenuous to blame the public for "misinterpreting" what is meant by "racism" in this context, even though all you say about its academic meaning is true.
I'm not a fan of the "alt-right" or a lot of its subculture. I also don't find it particularly "alt", as much as it is "far" right. It is a lot of the ideas that powered the NSDAP enveloped in the language of the Internet and memes, with the targets broadened from Jewry to non-whites in general. However, I'm also not a fan of suspending these accounts for controversial views if they are not harassing people on the Tw…
Agree. The first thing I thought upon reading this was: would Twitter ban an account with the following description: "dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of people of African descent in the United States, and around the world." Undoubtedly not. The only difference, of course, is s/African/European/g. I'm a liberal, but I feel that if this election has taught us anything, it should be that suppression of "…
In the long term, ~20 years, it probably doesn't matter what Twitter does today. It's a way for them to connect, now, with their primary demographics by making something of a political stance.
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> For example, the trans bathroom thing. I legitimately see both sides on that. How? Requiring trans people carry papers just so they can use the restroom doesn't strike you as just as little bit terrible? Trans people already use whichever bathroom they feel more safe and comfortable in: All these bathroom laws do is make life harder for members of what is already a very marginalized group. There's literally no posi…
> All these bathroom laws do is make life harder for members of what is already a very marginalized group. I've had discussions with psychologists and trans people. This illustrates the disconnect we're seeing between the left and the public. Trans people are a vanishingly small proportion of the population, compared to the people who have lost jobs when their manufacturing jobs moved overseas. Worrying about their d…
I don't really have the stomach to dissect your Napoleon analogy, but instead I will simply note that you have made a false equivalence and suggest that laughing at or trivializing peoples' mental illnesses is not particularly helpful. I think that a comparison to phantom limb syndrome or alien hand syndrome would be more accurate. Most people can rely on their brain telling them accurate information about their bodies. Some of us are not so lucky. I can't begin to describe how difficult it is to have your brain constantly at war with itself. I can promise that therapy isn't going to fix that sort of brain malfunction, any more than "pray away the gay". With rare (and controversial exceptions), the majority of studies agree that HRT/GRS + therapy produces better quality of life than therapy alone. The suicide rate is pretty high for both groups though.
Manufacturing jobs and my body may both make Republicans feel uncomfortable, but are not otherwise linked. You are displaying emotional reasoning, not logic. There is no reason to compare these two things, and the worrying implication of your reasoning is that any injury to a minority can be absolved if the majority can be shown to have suffered some other harm.
There are a number of issues where conservatives have taken a stance against empirical reality (with its well-known liberal bias). It's tough to build a coherent worldview if it's not founded on empiricism. Trump epitomizes this problem. One hopes that the same may not be said of you.
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Just stumbled upon exactly this: "Equality Twitter demonstrates the SJW commitment to one of the five fundamental pillars of their social justice ideology. I fucking hate white people and their inconsiderate asses for voting for Trump. Fuck you! 1:57 AM 9 Nov 2016 Twitter, in response to a complaint about the above tweet: Thank you for reporting this issue to us. Our goal is to create a safe environment for everyone…
You're treating this as if blacks and whites are somehow symmetrical in the context of American society. No serious social scientist would treat the two expressed views as equivalent.
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I feel like the left seriously damaged their ability to fight racist ideas when they abandoned the idea of equality. Now, the left calls colorblindness and "all lives matter" racist. (Remember when Martin O'Malley was destroyed for saying that?) They create advantageous standards based on race, and even exclusive positions for non-white applicants. (For example, at the BBC.) And I too doubt they would object to "dedi…
HN is a bad place to discuss this sort of stuff because you're always risking karma, but here goes. As a liberal, I will say that liberals drastically overplayed their hand the last 8 years. Many of us have been saying for a while that the language, tenor, and actions of recent liberal movements was ultimately counter productive. I understand and share the demand to be treated decently and equally, but admittedly thi…
Jobs. Jobs jobs.
You'll/us/we lost the election because the candidate didn't motivate people.
For the past 8years republicans stalled all your legislative attempts.
Before that they created wars and before that they created Fox News.
Along the way people created global warming deniers, creationism and vaccine denial.
America is at the forefront of figuring out ways to packages and deliver emotions to leverage policy and votes.
Communication had already failed for the past decades.
Memes/Facebook/fake news are red herrings - symptoms, not the diseases.
The American legislature has become more contentious and partisan - iirc voting across party lines is seen as a sign of disloyalty.
The issue is that the strategies applied and improved here are studied and applied elsewhere.
A massive wall of propaganda and emotions.
How can communication happen when even straight up Adoption of GOP programs (iirc mitt Romney launched the predecessor to Medicare.)is cause to Reject it.
Basically how can you talk when people are rarely going to hear you?
?? I suppose the question is how can signal be sent over lossy/noisy(hostile?) channel without degradation or subversion
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This is a very forgiving point of view. Institutional racism is real and because of that it can't be undone by just pretending everyone is equal all of the sudden. It is much more nuanced than you make it out to be. That being said, many of the people that twitter banned are just straight up racist and xenophoic/intolerant speech should not be protected.
>Institutional racism is real Any evidence of this claim? Cause as an outsider to the US I see a black president and a lot of reversed-racism (affirmite action I think you ppl call it)
For example, http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/06/news/ferguson-arrest-warrant... shows that people in Ferguson are being arrested for things that wouldn't even be considered a crime where I live.
Compare that with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch or http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/us/oregon-standoff-ammon-bundy... and you will begin to see how crimes committed by white people are often punished by a slap on the wrist when the same crime committed by a person of color would land them in jail.
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That disconnect is because the definition of racism has changed over the last 8 years in practice, and since the development of privilege theory and systemic racism in academia ~30 years ago.[0] Racism used to be something you did if you were white; now it's just "who you are". Since the civil right movement 50 years ago, white Americans have agreed to a racial compact: - whites are banned from doing anything overtly…
> That disconnect is because the definition of racism has changed over the last 8 years in practice, and since the development of "systemic racism" in theory. What you call "systemic racism" has been known simply as "racism" in academic circles for the past few decades . Put succinctly, in research circles, racism is the property of a society that results in grossly unequal distribution of power among social groups v…
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I think what's important about this is if the big problem is (1) race disproportionality or (2) general police brutality and unaccountability. If the main problem is (2), but society mobilizes to solve (1), thigs won't get better.
I feel that these problems are linked. If we solved (1), everyone would be equally likely to suffer from police brutality. This would make us more likely to then go ahead and fix (2), because suddenly it would no longer be something which mostly happens to long-downtrodden minority groups. Mind, if we fix (2) first, it's somewhat plausible that we might continue in a situation where minority groups are disproportiona…
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I feel like the left seriously damaged their ability to fight racist ideas when they abandoned the idea of equality. Now, the left calls colorblindness and "all lives matter" racist. (Remember when Martin O'Malley was destroyed for saying that?) They create advantageous standards based on race, and even exclusive positions for non-white applicants. (For example, at the BBC.) And I too doubt they would object to "dedi…
HN is a bad place to discuss this sort of stuff because you're always risking karma, but here goes. As a liberal, I will say that liberals drastically overplayed their hand the last 8 years. Many of us have been saying for a while that the language, tenor, and actions of recent liberal movements was ultimately counter productive. I understand and share the demand to be treated decently and equally, but admittedly thi…
As for "smug liberalism" where if only uneducated people were given the facts, they'd make the right conclusion and be liberal, is probably a real thing; i.e. there are educated people who are still ignorant and there isn't a lot you can about it. A major factor in getting along with each other is living among each other, and that really doesn't happen in rural areas of the country. There's no real effective way to impart city dormitory life, not just social tolerance but diversity appreciation, to people who don't live in cities.
The election is really not that big of a surprise. The country is this divided. It is very difficult for the same party to win three election cycles in a row. And, key Democratic party demographics didn't show up to vote in sufficient numbers that it affected the outcome of the election.
This is not "tore our heads off" territory, that's hyperbole.