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Post by cloudsloth »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #325
StavrosK wrote: post #262

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Then it's a failure in marketing, as the fire deparment doesn't market itself as "department for throwing water at houses". Maybe BLM should be more clear about its goals? I'm not really up-to-speed with US politics, but I know it's horrifying how easily and with impunity the police have been killing black people. Still, "Black lives matter" isn't a great slogan, and calling "all lives matter" racist definitely seems…

Yeah its a knee-jerk reaction and sad. The more accurate slogan would be "Black Lives Also Matter" but that isn't as effective. I think we all really understand that's what "Black Lives Matter" means. The real question is, why the strong counter-reaction? Why the sophistry around the slogan? What is that covering for?

Why are you belittling it as a knee-jerk reaction and sad?

A group of people is experiencing horrible and unjust treatment. The implication of the situation is they don't matter, and the correct reformist statement is that they do matter.

Black lives matter also is not the correct statement. It is the correct understanding of the while situation but you need to keep in mind the nuance of language.

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Post by cloudsloth »

tyho wrote: post #237
commenting wrote: post #73

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Black Lives Matter means Black Lives Matter as well . The All Lives Matter movement, as a reaction to BLM, is essentially saying that they don't, and that the racial struggles of American Blacks are irrelevant. That is the reason why All Lives Matter is considered abusive.

All lives matter may be distasteful (I don't actually know anything about it and am not making a judgment one way or another) but calling it "abusive" is exactly the sort of over the top PC nonsense which fuels the alt-right. EDIT: Perhaps I am wrong here, as I said, I know nothing about All Lives Matter, can you justify calling it an "abusive" movement?

All lives matter is a direct response to black lives matter and is trying to nullify the claims of the latter. It is functionally abusive because it actively fights increased awareness of the racism that BLM was(is) working towards.

The statement 'All Lives Matter' not as response to BLM would have been fine, but come on. No one here is blind to the current discussion to that extent.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

cloudsloth wrote: post #331
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah its a knee-jerk reaction and sad. The more accurate slogan would be "Black Lives Also Matter" but that isn't as effective. I think we all really understand that's what "Black Lives Matter" means. The real question is, why the strong counter-reaction? Why the sophistry around the slogan? What is that covering for?

Why are you belittling it as a knee-jerk reaction and sad? A group of people is experiencing horrible and unjust treatment. The implication of the situation is they don't matter, and the correct reformist statement is that they do matter. Black lives matter also is not the correct statement. It is the correct understanding of the while situation but you need to keep in mind the nuance of language.

Sorry if that got misinterpreted. Its sad that folks react with "All Lives Matter" as if the slogan "Black Lives Matter" isn't clear.

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Post by orcdork »

kofejnik wrote: post #308
xaa wrote: post #38

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Agree. The first thing I thought upon reading this was: would Twitter ban an account with the following description: "dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of people of African descent in the United States, and around the world." Undoubtedly not. The only difference, of course, is s/African/European/g. I'm a liberal, but I feel that if this election has taught us anything, it should be that suppression of "…

Just stumbled upon exactly this: "Equality Twitter demonstrates the SJW commitment to one of the five fundamental pillars of their social justice ideology. I fucking hate white people and their inconsiderate asses for voting for Trump. Fuck you! 1:57 AM 9 Nov 2016 Twitter, in response to a complaint about the above tweet: Thank you for reporting this issue to us. Our goal is to create a safe environment for everyone…

Behind on of the two tweets, there's a few hundrend years of slavery & oppression, based on race. Context is important.

Edit: Why do I even bother. That same blog has the following snippet in another post:

The white nations of Europe are, collectively and historically speaking, humanity's golden geese. It is to the long-term benefit of all Mankind to avoid killing them, or even adulterating them, through immigration, invasion, or assimilation.

Sigh.

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Post by tremon »

alistproducer2 wrote: post #113
leereeves wrote: post #48

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I feel like the left seriously damaged their ability to fight racist ideas when they abandoned the idea of equality. Now, the left calls colorblindness and "all lives matter" racist. (Remember when Martin O'Malley was destroyed for saying that?) They create advantageous standards based on race, and even exclusive positions for non-white applicants. (For example, at the BBC.) And I too doubt they would object to "dedi…

HN is a bad place to discuss this sort of stuff because you're always risking karma, but here goes. As a liberal, I will say that liberals drastically overplayed their hand the last 8 years. Many of us have been saying for a while that the language, tenor, and actions of recent liberal movements was ultimately counter productive. I understand and share the demand to be treated decently and equally, but admittedly thi…

Micro-aggression, safe spaces, trigger words - all things that have good intentions

Regardless of intent, they are ultimately part of the problem, not the solution. I understand that the latter are responses to the first, but they all serve to paint every member of society with an us-vs-them brush.

In the end, dialogue is a necessity to reform your broken society. Segregating off each subgroup into their own community, whether by choice or government policy, only increases distance and polarization and makes it harder for everyone to engage with other parts of society.

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Post by pron »

kofejnik wrote: post #308
xaa wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. The first thing I thought upon reading this was: would Twitter ban an account with the following description: "dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of people of African descent in the United States, and around the world." Undoubtedly not. The only difference, of course, is s/African/European/g. I'm a liberal, but I feel that if this election has taught us anything, it should be that suppression of "…

Just stumbled upon exactly this: "Equality Twitter demonstrates the SJW commitment to one of the five fundamental pillars of their social justice ideology. I fucking hate white people and their inconsiderate asses for voting for Trump. Fuck you! 1:57 AM 9 Nov 2016 Twitter, in response to a complaint about the above tweet: Thank you for reporting this issue to us. Our goal is to create a safe environment for everyone…

You're treating this as if blacks and whites are somehow symmetrical in the context of American society. No serious social scientist would treat the two expressed views as equivalent.

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Post by quonn »

nailer wrote: post #289
quonn wrote: post #279

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I'm sure genital mutilation is already prohibited under British law. The problem with the burkas is that is it of course difficult to determine or prove that they are not worn voluntarily. I know some girls from liberal (Christian/Atheist) families who converted to Islam who wear a Niqab. I can guarantee you that they are not "forced" to do this.

FGM is illegal, but there has been zero prosecutions, and estimated a few thousand girls mutilated since the laws were passed. One of the reasons FGM goes on in the UK is precisely that people don't want to be seen as judging a culture, even for something which is statistically more likely to happen in a culture: ie, the problem could be addressed with medical inspections in schools but this won't happen for fear of…

So I've checked and I agree that the numbers of mutilations that apparently happen in the UK is quite shocking. But I don't see how medical inspections in schools are the answer to be honest.

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

leereeves wrote: post #10
bougiefever wrote: post #5

This is probably a good move. They should also suppress fake news sites that are obviously not satire, but are meant to mislead. I can't believe I actually support preventing people from sharing things, but somehow this propaganda has to be exposed. This is a sad state we are in now.

This is a corporation enforcing its world view. Would you say the same if Twitter were owned by the right-wing and was banning left wing users?

Funny how this argument only shows up when it affects right-wingers. And it's a false equivalence anyway.

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Post by cheiVia0 »

tnone wrote: post #229
briandon wrote: post #201

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I'm not a Breitbart reader but, after reading your comment, clicked through your link to see what was what. To claim that it has "basically no source" is not true. The Breitbart piece links to the German-language article on which it is based. I'll link it here again for you: http://kath.net/news/57457 The translator whose statements are featured in both the Brietbart piece and the original German article is allegedly…

Why is it people have so much trouble spelling Breitbart consistently, let alone right?

Kids are taught in school that it's "I" before "E" except after "C", except for weird, science, Breitbart, etc.

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Post by pron »

leereeves wrote: post #48
xaa wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. The first thing I thought upon reading this was: would Twitter ban an account with the following description: "dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of people of African descent in the United States, and around the world." Undoubtedly not. The only difference, of course, is s/African/European/g. I'm a liberal, but I feel that if this election has taught us anything, it should be that suppression of "…

I feel like the left seriously damaged their ability to fight racist ideas when they abandoned the idea of equality. Now, the left calls colorblindness and "all lives matter" racist. (Remember when Martin O'Malley was destroyed for saying that?) They create advantageous standards based on race, and even exclusive positions for non-white applicants. (For example, at the BBC.) And I too doubt they would object to "dedi…

> I feel like the left seriously damaged their ability to fight racist ideas when they abandoned the idea of equality.

The idea of equality is not some abstract mathematical notion. The left's treatment of social issues, including affirmative action, stems from decades of serious empirical study of society, rather than from an imagined "spherical-cow" sociology. That does not mean that the policy is the right one -- either ethically or the best means of achieving its goals -- but I think that the debate should be carried out based on all we know about our real society, though history, anthropology, sociology and psychology, rather than by deliberately ignoring them in favor of an idealized model that bears no resemblance to reality. You can disagree with leftist policies on many fronts, but you cannot say that the left has abandoned the idea of equality based on your observations unless you choose that imagined model.

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