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Re: Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts

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Post by briandon »

pfisch wrote: post #132
MichaelBurge wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"alt-right" is mostly just a term used by the Clinton campaign to label their political opponents as weirdos. I don't think I heard anyone using it before Clinton did. I suppose Richard Spencer used it. Before the 2016 election, the term was "classical liberal". I don't know about Milo, but at least Alex Jones has described himself as a liberal.

This is the "alt-right" and it didn't come from Clinton. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/16/translator-migran... frontpage of breitbart today. This article is racist af, and the comments are even worse. This article basically has no source, and is a bunch of anecdotal race war bullshit. The only "facts" are so lacking in context that they are meaningless. Like number of total attacks for example....

I'm not a Breitbart reader but, after reading your comment, clicked through your link to see what was what.

To claim that it has "basically no source" is not true. The Breitbart piece links to the German-language article on which it is based. I'll link it here again for you:

http://kath.net/news/57457

The translator whose statements are featured in both the Brietbart piece and the original German article is allegedly a Christian Eritrean woman who has requested anonymity because she fears reprisals from the Islamic asylum claimants with whom her work requires that she interact.

Other people quoted in the German article are indeed identified by name.

Disclaimer: I am not vouching for the veracity of their statements, the integrity of the original German-language publication, or of Brietbart.

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Post by kjfewhiruhgw »

grandalf wrote: post #47

Why does everyone think censorship is the answer? The idea that "evil" ideas pollute minds is the same reasoning that neocons have for why Islam must be stopped. It's bizarre and farfetched. Our values of free speech and free expression are far more important than the cringeworthy and extremely stupid things some people choose to say. Twitter should not ban these accounts, or should it ban ISIS accounts or anything e…

ok have you ever been in a meeting with a group of people where one person dominates the conversation ?

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Post by nsxwolf »

badlucklottery wrote: post #144
micaksica wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the link. I didn't know there was a formal name for this. > the alt-right seem to really like disrupting conversations that are inconvenient to them That's aggressive behavior, then. I'm defending the alt-right's ability to use Twitter for expression and talk with themselves, and with people that have shown interest in their ideas. If they're off brigading every source they disagree with all the time wi…

>I'm defending the alt-right's ability to use Twitter for expression and talk with themselves, and with people that have shown interest in their ideas I don't think this was an outright purge of the alt-right, just those they saw as ringleaders of abusive brigading. Alex Jones and other big names from that group are still out there doing their thing. >Twitter should be wielding the banhammer in an egalitarian fashion…

Here's where I get confused. Alex Jones is alt-right? He hates racists and Nazis.

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Post by [deleted] »

badlucklottery wrote: post #144
micaksica wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the link. I didn't know there was a formal name for this. > the alt-right seem to really like disrupting conversations that are inconvenient to them That's aggressive behavior, then. I'm defending the alt-right's ability to use Twitter for expression and talk with themselves, and with people that have shown interest in their ideas. If they're off brigading every source they disagree with all the time wi…

>I'm defending the alt-right's ability to use Twitter for expression and talk with themselves, and with people that have shown interest in their ideas I don't think this was an outright purge of the alt-right, just those they saw as ringleaders of abusive brigading. Alex Jones and other big names from that group are still out there doing their thing. >Twitter should be wielding the banhammer in an egalitarian fashion…

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Post by legulere »

xaa wrote: post #38
micaksica wrote: post #8

I'm not a fan of the "alt-right" or a lot of its subculture. I also don't find it particularly "alt", as much as it is "far" right. It is a lot of the ideas that powered the NSDAP enveloped in the language of the Internet and memes, with the targets broadened from Jewry to non-whites in general. However, I'm also not a fan of suspending these accounts for controversial views if they are not harassing people on the Tw…

Agree. The first thing I thought upon reading this was: would Twitter ban an account with the following description: "dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of people of African descent in the United States, and around the world." Undoubtedly not. The only difference, of course, is s/African/European/g. I'm a liberal, but I feel that if this election has taught us anything, it should be that suppression of "…

But those alt-right accounts are in fact not "dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future", but dedicated to attack everything that isn't. It's just a façade to hide behind and act like a persecuted minority.

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Post by jbmorgado »

I can't really see how the answer for what just happened in these elections, is even more "socially acceptable" censorship.

Clearly a lot of people were faking their world views on the social media in order to appear "politically correct" and avoid being shunned and attacked from people that see themselves as politically correct and informed.

And then, on the ballot without anyone looking, they, of course, voted against that and we got Trump, Brexit, etc...

And now, people are expecting that the answer to on how to actually get these people back, inform them, make them more open and try to show them a better view of the world, is to censor their thoughts even more?

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Post by trump2016 »

masondixon wrote: post #194
drawkbox wrote: post #31

Not a good idea at all, I am never for censorship and I think we are losing sight of why freedom of speech is important which is insane to me. It is good all these ideas are out there even if you don't agree with them. Shrouding them will only encourage it. Strict absolutist and authoritative law/parenting almost always leads to acting out, while passive law/parenting let's knowledge decide individual choice. Putting…

> we are losing sight of why freedom of speech is important which is insane to me. I'm with you. Its very difficult to find people like you who think practically and consider side-effects, etc. I'm curious as to whether this has changed over time. And how could the founding fathers have such foresight. Where have all the thinkers gone?

> Where have all the thinkers gone?

Isn't it obvious? They've been censored. Matt Lauer can't even ask legitimate questions about Clinton's private email server without being publicly censured for being a "bad" journalist.

What a joke.

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Post by trhway »

throwanem wrote: post #199
alistproducer2 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I noticed that liberals had this similar authoritarianness IMO this is what distinguishes a traditional liberal from a a progressive. For me, a liberal is basically libertarian with a belief the state can be used to ensure the rights of citizens are administered evenly. IMO, if someone's actions aren't depriving another of life or liberty, the state doesn't have much standing in regulating that activity. Progressive…

> Gay people getting married deprives no one of anything. There's an opportunity cost. I expanded on that a few days ago, and rather than rehearse it again, I'll link the answer I gave to "What do anti-gay-marriage people gain?": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12933668

from that your comment:

>Homosexual partnerships, which are incapable of producing children, thus are of no benefit to the state, and can only be an unproductive diversion of funds which otherwise would be allocated to the benefit of heterosexual marriages which can and often do produce children.

i think you're completely wrong here. Homosexual couples do adopt children and given the number of children in the foster care one can see how a homosexual couple adopting an existing child may be of even bigger benefit to the state/society/planet than a heterosexual couple producing a brand new child.

Like with most of the "liberal/progressive" agenda - ecology/climate, marijuana legalization, education, healthcare, social safety net, death penalty abolishment, equal gay and others rights, etc... - i wish to think that this is we, humans, becoming morally better, yet it is also very easy to notice that when the wide society accepts those ideas it is almost always correlates ("correlation is no causation"?) with the fact that at the time of accepting of the given idea that acceptance is economically more beneficial than the not-acceptance. Well, better carrot than the stick...

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Post by rtpg »

nailer wrote: post #171
TillE wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a little odd, since 99% of the time it's really just a euphemism for a particular kind of neo-nazi.

Really? The alt-right side don't support immigration and like their own culture - which is a very common thing across the world, particularly amongst the working class. neo nazis specifically advocate violence. I generally vote for the Labour party, but that doesn't mean I and my fellow Labour voters (Corbyn aside) support Mao/Chavez/PolPot-style murdering of our enemies.

this is how the Alt-Right frames itself, and it's pretty ingenious. People discuss protection of culture, and completely step over the part about "their own culture".

The Alt Right ideology relies on the principle that White culture is the "true" culture of the nation, and that other contributions simply do not count. They cast an illegitimacy to the history of minorities in the US.

The debate about protecting the culture is irrelevant because they do not want to protect the nation's culture. They want to protect White culture.

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