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Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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I know it's off-topic to comment on the quality of a submission, but this is the first time I've been truly shocked by a #1 HN story. Normally when there is some discussion about relevance to HN, I can at least say "this is not really for me, but there's no problem with it being here". This is so mundane and obvious that I suspect non-normal voting. If you found this story interesting - why? "On-Topic: Anything that…

Where you are shocked, I'm glad. While you and I may have the knowledge, many/most people still thinks Facebook is a good source of information. It is good that more visible voices are saying otherwise, so debate and questioning happens.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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Back in late August when I started my new job, my first purchase with my first paycheck was to get a subscription to Le Devoir, Montreal's independent newspaper. It's amazing how much more informed I feel now: because the content only changes every 24 hours, I have the opportunity to get to the less sexy stories, stories that would be buried on a fast moving website because they don't generate clicks, but which still…

The economist is another good option. They have decent digital versions, including a daily edition that's just enough news for me.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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post #15

I quit Facebook 1 to 2 years ago. I suppose that's one of the reasons I didn't understand the hatred during the election towards the other side. I don't have a feed of "He's evil" "She's evil". I saw two bad candidates and I understand where people are coming from with their votes. I'd like to see most independents / democratic people unite under a real progressive platform next election and stop the extremist cycle…

I'm in a similar boat as you having quit Facebook several years ago after the revelations about the emotion manipulation experiments they were running. At first I did not understand why people were so polarized about the candidates. Now I'm attributing this mainly to being cut off from Facebook. EDIT: By polarized I mean intense hatred, coming from both sides

Were you also cut off from all forms of media? Even the most neutral sources had stories about how both candidates were the most disliked in history, protests and violence at rallies, etc. Even if you personally didn't have any strong opinions, anyone who even casually followed the news should have understood the general sentiments of the country.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There really are an amazing number of people who simply aren't interested in understanding the world as it is. I think a big part of it is fundamentally not understanding how the brain works, and that just because your brain presents a convincing reality to you, that it doesn't necessarily coincide with actual reality. People don't understand that intuition can lead you very, very far astray. So they're building up t…

How far do you want to take Cartesian dualism? Who are these "other people"? :)

Oh I'm sure I have a lot of unexamined biases. I try to find them as much as I can though. I love to be challenged. Just not on Facebook.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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This might not be possible. People who actually swapped feeds with someone who had a different viewpoint decided they did "not like the news" because it didn't validate their very own viewpoint. So the problem isn't how fact checked the news is but more on the voter's views. That might be something very hard to change. [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/16/facebook-bia...

The correct answer isn't to "switch feeds". It's to just turn it off. I'm happier, more productive and a better dad when I'm not being a feed-junkie. Maybe I'm an outlier.

Not an outlier at all. I have never used FB for anything really, just tried to promote a silly YT channel with my kids at one time.

This site is starting to get bad as well though. I would love it to be only tech.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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post #35
post #30

This article is on a "How to make money blogging" website, not exactly a source I'd turn to for trustworthy anything let alone news about not relying on other news... Anyway, here are some more legitimate sources for the same topic for anyone interested: https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/15/snowden-discusses-facebook... https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/15/snowden-we-rely-too-much...

This is the problem with any solution that relies on people checking the reliability of news sources: they don't. Even on here.

I'm at the point where if it claims to be "news" and it's not on an immediately identifiable brand domain, I would assume it's fake or some variation of content spam.

Things in the realm of opinion, insight, tutorial, reviews, etc, can get more leeway.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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post #49
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its impossible to happen under the system as it is established, but you just needed to push for a constitutional amendment and / or state compact like the one to overturn the electoral college to change the voting system to support either proportional (doesn't work when you elect a single seat like the president) or STV (ie runoff voting). The chance of that happening in the next four years? Really low. About as unli…

Changing from electoral college to pop vote also means the nature of campaigning will change. California, for example, has a huge population of Republicans and now their vote would matter. I don't think Trump did any non military focused rallies there. I am in Illinois. I didn't vote in 2008 or 2012 because I knew my vote would have no impact. Give me a popular vote and you might have Romney... Be careful what you wi…

Romney lost 51-47 in the popular vote.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

#58
post #15

I quit Facebook 1 to 2 years ago. I suppose that's one of the reasons I didn't understand the hatred during the election towards the other side. I don't have a feed of "He's evil" "She's evil". I saw two bad candidates and I understand where people are coming from with their votes. I'd like to see most independents / democratic people unite under a real progressive platform next election and stop the extremist cycle…

The polarisation of opinions is a nasty side effect of some filters: people going in the web to be in conflict will click/trust/consume less. They are more aware of potential lies.

Thus the algorithm must provide the best un trollesque experience possible.

For this, it is better to have people feel cumfy with people sharing same believes/opinions. This way the CPC diminishes bringing more ad conversions.

Do the experience on yourself: did you prefer to go to school where diversity was greater than in your actual probable IT job, or do you prefer going to a conference on «your favorite whatever tech» it is. I have used noSQL techs because I thought it was cool after a python conf while I was pretty much dubitative. And I should have kept my doubts they had solid grounds.

Basically, conference and school are the same ; people talking thinking they share something, except school is full of conflict because of diversity whereas conference feels amazing because you feel in communion and you are more receptive. (I loved every conf I attended in the beginning until something itched me (my nosql conversion)).

That is also the secret recipe of churches, sects, successful corporate cultures, modern musical tendency to be based on genre that are caricature of themselves, even meme ... polarisation of the mass in one direction and fervor and a feeling to share something common, making you feel more likely to embrace new paradigms.

What we should fear is not facebook, algorithm or even google: it is our on Nature to feel cumfortable in uniformity and avoid conflicts.

The side effects of the algorithms is just that it turns us people in fanatics because we are not able to deal with diversity anymore. It is the experience we all wish: PEACE, shared progress and experience!

However believe it or not, since we are not always right, we sometimes need to have painfully disagreeing opinions. (real life). But in our bubble of agreement, opponents get marginalized as pisse froid.

And I know the tendency is to fight/blame the trolls, but trolls are not the problem at hand. It is a growing tendency to prefer avoiding conflicts, and I am concerned, only for one reason: it makes crappy software. Regarding politics, I don't really care that a globally skewed system towards the person rich by birth is getting unstable.

They wanted the power, no one was concerned since everyone was thinking it was a great idea: now they have it and I just grab my popcorn and sit.

The world can burn, I will rejoice myself with it but I did not bring the oil nor scratched the match that set it on fire. I am innocent, I was just a troll doing my job of trying to wake up people on the dangers coming...

One day us trolls will be given a medal for trying to save the world. Or maybe, I am still trolling...

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

#59

Back in late August when I started my new job, my first purchase with my first paycheck was to get a subscription to Le Devoir, Montreal's independent newspaper. It's amazing how much more informed I feel now: because the content only changes every 24 hours, I have the opportunity to get to the less sexy stories, stories that would be buried on a fast moving website because they don't generate clicks, but which still…

The economist is another good option. They have decent digital versions, including a daily edition that's just enough news for me.

The Economist carries just as much propaganda as any other political magazine. They're better at hiding it, perhaps.
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