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Re: HP Unveils Mini Workstation

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See also the Intel NUC thing: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i7kyk... What really astonishes me though is how you can have these really nice machines and Apple doesn't bother to update the Mac mini. Seriously, an Apple version of this would be a nice desktop.

> an Apple version of this would be a nice desktop.

It would compete with the IMac then, and with their notebooks too. Maybe Apple should charge enough of a premium for the mini to justify that loss.

Re: HP Unveils Mini Workstation

#182

See also the Intel NUC thing: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i7kyk... What really astonishes me though is how you can have these really nice machines and Apple doesn't bother to update the Mac mini. Seriously, an Apple version of this would be a nice desktop.

> an Apple version of this would be a nice desktop. It would compete with the IMac then, and with their notebooks too. Maybe Apple should charge enough of a premium for the mini to justify that loss.

  >> It would compete with the IMac then, and with their notebooks too.
Companies that try to avoid competing with themselves often fail quickly and spectacularly (after this approach appearing to work well for an extended time).

Re: HP Unveils Mini Workstation

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But if you use ZFS, chances are you will want to have lots of disk space and lots of disks, too. If so, why buy a small box?

Because you are paranoid and also have a small apartment. I have a mini-itx home server build with 16 gb of ram and 4 WD 3tb RED drives. It doesn't run ZFS because I don't have ECC ram in it, but it's the smallest computer I could buy that would fit the hard disks I already owned. If I were starting from scratch I'd probably use 2.5" drives instead, and if I wasn't working for a non-profit, I'd probably use SSDs now…

Mini-itx I can understand, but this box has one drive of 1.5TB max (according to http://www.hp.com/go/Z2mini). You would have to connect any other drives externally. If you do that, the result probably takes more room than that mini-itx.

Re: HP Unveils Mini Workstation

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> Unfortunately there's no way to buy it without the included SSDs Ah, brings back memories of buying HP servers several years ago. The only way to get the servers we needed was to buy servers pre-shipped with inadequate RAM and drives, rip it all out, and then install new drives and new RAM (purchased at the same time from HP, for an inflated price of course). We were left with a pile of essentially useless SAS driv…

Why was hp hardware a requirement? What was so special about hp hardware?

Nobody ever got fired for choosing HP.

Re: HP Unveils Mini Workstation

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They're not incompatible.

Look at "Pin Assignments" in: https://www.micron.com/products/datasheets/9790eab7-a778-48a... https://www.micron.com/products/datasheets/cd774d8b-45be-402...

Sorry, I was being less pedantic than I should have been. Thanks for the correction and have an upvote.

They're "incompatible" in the sense that the pinouts differ, but an ECC-capable DDR3 machine can use both ECC and non-ECC memory; however, the pinout incompatibility means that a non-ECC-capable machine cannot use ECC RAM (but then, who would want to spend the extra $$ for ECC RAM when their machine doesn't support it anyway?).

Re: HP Unveils Mini Workstation

#186

See also the Intel NUC thing: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i7kyk... What really astonishes me though is how you can have these really nice machines and Apple doesn't bother to update the Mac mini. Seriously, an Apple version of this would be a nice desktop.

What really astonishes me though is how you can have these really nice machines and Apple doesn't bother to update the Mac mini.

It would almost have been better if they didn't update it. The 2012 mini was fantastic; you could take it to a quad i7 and 16GB for under $1000 thanks to user-accessible RAM. For most purposes that's much better than the current $1000 mini.

Re: HP Unveils Mini Workstation

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Apples and oranges. Intel's mobile Skylake processors don't support more than 16GB of low-power RAM; Apple didn't have anything to do with that limitation. This is a boxy desktop, not a mobile machine.

I up voted your response as it's correct, but for anyone who doesn't want to believe, here's a fully referenced post I made a while back with specific references in the Intel documentation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12900834

Now I know why both the new surface book and the mbook pro have such paltry ram configurations. Sad times when intel itself seems to be falling behind.

Re: HP Unveils Mini Workstation

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Is there an obvious reason that they stick with traditional air cooling for this, rather than using liquid cooling? Here's an example of a compact system with liquid cooled CPU and graphics card built using off-the-shelf parts: http://blog.newegg.com/building-a-mini-itx-gaming-pc/ I'd think that at this small size, you'd need really high air velocity to make it work. Coupled with small fans, this generally means the…

Liquid circulation doesn't actually cool, just transfers the energy to another interface for eventual dissipation into the air.

I mean that's exactly what every cooling system does.

Re: HP Unveils Mini Workstation

#189

Clickbait. Title should read: "HP Unveils its [1] First-Ever Mini Workstation" It's certainly not an Industry first, nor a "World's First" as the press release claims. [1]Based on publicly available information of workstation competitors as of October 3, 2016 with volume of at least 1 million units annually as of October 3, 2016 having < 3 litres volume, professional graphics, Intel® Xeon® quad core processor, ISV ce…

I'm just curious how hp can claim something completely opposite to what is obvious to many people. Isn't that false advertising?

Re: HP Unveils Mini Workstation

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On my current desktop machine (32GB ECC DRAM) I see a single bit error (corrected) probably every 18 to 20 days. There isn't an easy way to tell where that error hit in memory (you could presumably walk it back from the physical chip to the physical address space to the current page table and then back into virtual space and a process but that is waaaaaaaay too much work :-) Without ECC those errors would happen and…

How are you able to "see" the single bit errors? I had an ECC machine but I couldn't find any indication that ECC was working or that any bit errors happened. Reading this I thought the best I could do is to believe that workstation with ECC modules and Xeon will have functioning ECC: "Unfortunately, we have found that there is no consistent, conclusive way to determine if ECC RAM is working properly. ...We've actual…

Linux has drivers that receive ECC notifications from the hardware and the edac-util command should display them.

You can cause bit errors with a hair dryer and see if Linux recognizes them: http://bluesmoke.sourceforge.net/heat_gun.html

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