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Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial
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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because you arguing that rampant misinformation is not a threat to a well functioning democracy is so manifestly nihilistic and trollish there's really no point in even discussing it further.
There's a lot of people in denial that there is a genuine grievance at the heart of voting for Trump. People who voted for him are not all misinformed racist sexist delusional hicks. There's too many of them to all be fooled. Many of them voted for Obama last time; the numbers make that clear. Denial is the biggest thing I see in the US media right now, and it's worrying. Because it will probably lead to opposition t…
How well do you think the average voter, whether Trump or Hillary supporter, would do on a Politifact quiz?
I believe most of us are misinformed and delusional, and I do not believe people having Facebook as their primary news source is improving the situation.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial
#153"Fake stories" are not the biggest problem, and focusing on them could fix surface issues without addressing the underlying echo chamber effect. This piece is better than most, but I wish all people arguing for Facebook and Google to stop enabling opinions to be manipulated weren't so distracted by simple lies. It's the series of cherry-picked facts that create a narrative that we have to watch out for.
Fake stories are a huge problem. A trump supporter just shared a story yesterday about a mob of muslims marching through an American neighborhood demanding that Christmas decorations be taken down.
Doesn't even pass the smell test: yet this person believes them implicitly. This election was decided so narrowly, you have to wonder what the impact was.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's true that Donald Trump is lying, feckless fool. Lying? Sure. Feckless fool? Not a fact. > But that doesn't really change the facts. You mean, facts like Hillary arming radicals and destroying governments? Or facts like Clinton getting millions of dollars from major banks? Or facts like Clinton wiping email servers? There were floodlights on the liar, but a crook sneaked in behind them. Rampant editorializing d…
He's a feckless fool. Campaigns on deporting ALL illegal immigrants and building a wall. Says (on 60 minutes, this is not fake, he said it): he's only going to deport illegal immigrants who have committed serious crimes. This is exactly Obama's policy. He just won an election, and he's pushing the status-quo. Again, on ACA repeal, he was VERY CLEAR in the debate: "repeal and replace Obamacare" (just not clear on "rep…
> building a wall
Just like Hillary, then [1][2]. She changed her tune this campaign season. Why exactly? I don't know. But the only explanation I can come up with is "my opponent's policies are bad"[3]. Most politicians do that when dealing with the opposite party, but Hillary seems to be unique in doing that against her own partymen, be it Obama (earlier) or Sanders now.
> ACA repeal
Just like Hillary, then[4]. However, Clinton had a different endgame in mind.
> Trump is feckless.
This, I cannot deny. Would you say the same of Hillary?
> And a fool.
That remains an opinion. Would you say the same of Hillary?
> you look at photos of McCain shaking their hands
... and I wonder how many of those people were hand-picked for the task by puppets the Americans put in place.
Anyway, this is precisely why I'm laughing so much about Trump's victory.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S1uc47j1Q4
[2] http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/hillary-clinton...
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI
[4] http://www.businessinsider.com/wikileaks-email-shows-clinton...
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook can do whatever it wants. Personally, if facebook does not stop the spread of false information I will stop using their services and will do my best to convince my friends to stop using their services. If they want to create harmful social bubbles for profit that's their prerogative, but I won't be part of it.
If you use facebook, you've been in a harmful social bubble since the beginning.... you are only realizing it now
I had a feeling Trump was going to win due to the viewpoints I was seeing on Facebook... but I trusted the polls, which were in their own bubble that I didn't recognize.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial
#156Considering that American's trust in mainstream media is an all time low [1], I'm sure there is a big demand for alternative news. I'm not surprised people are looking for content that fits their narrative and end up reading fake articles. As someone observing from Mexico, I noticed almost all of the mainstream US media became an echo chamber for pro-Clinton content. I only realized this after after seeing how Sander…
...big media outlets protecting the corrupt status quo.
They are doing their job.
How many of us buy paper newspaper? How many of us have paid news site account? or browse news site without ad blocker. We want to read content without ads so they are selling this content. Media is writing PR piece and getting paid.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial
#157Considering that American's trust in mainstream media is an all time low [1], I'm sure there is a big demand for alternative news. I'm not surprised people are looking for content that fits their narrative and end up reading fake articles. As someone observing from Mexico, I noticed almost all of the mainstream US media became an echo chamber for pro-Clinton content. I only realized this after after seeing how Sander…
You're not wrong about the pro-Clinton content. I'm politically liberal, so I've kind of sheltered myself from the rightwing stuff. A couple of weeks ago, I started looking at it, after some conversations with some trump supporters. I was completely floored. I remember the situation in 2000, and 2004, and there was a lot of crazy stuff particularly from FoxNews, and commentators like Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, Dine…
Ironically, Glenn Beck is one of the more sensible voices on that end of politics this election cycle...
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
12 Trump hit pieces in one day alone. More like establishment propaganda paper, I don't think they would have given Jeb Bush or Rubio such a hard time.
Would you have liked them balanced with 12 pro-Trump pieces or 12 anti-Hillary pieces? Sometimes things are true. Saying they're true isn't bias. It makes no sense to have "balance" when what that means is publishing a non-true thing in order to balance out the true thing you just said. It's true that Donald Trump is lying, feckless fool. That doesn't need balancing. We can argue all day about why people voted for hi…
The mere fact that you think Hillary was a viable candidate shows how much information they withheld from you.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial
#159What about all of the fake Trump news? My friends on Facebook still think Trump is a rapist (he never raped anyone), Racist (I'm still not sure where this one came from), and homophobic (he is not reversing gay marriage). When his first speech came out about immigration, he said he wants to deport illegal immigrants (which is actually already law). The media turned it into just 'immigrants' and we now have entire gro…
> The only thing they can spew out is the story about the girl
> that got her Hijab pulled, which turned out to be fake.
You honestly believe that there was one single incident, and it was fake? This is an honest question: where do you get your news from?
Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
12 Trump hit pieces in one day alone. More like establishment propaganda paper, I don't think they would have given Jeb Bush or Rubio such a hard time.
How, I wonder, do you report on a candidate, who we have a recording bragging about sexual assault, and avoid a "hit piece"? To make a derogatory article attacking trump literally all you have to do is quote what he's said on the record; No editorializing necessary.
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