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Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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post #6

Who isn't? * * * This election and its aftermath have been an amazing opportunity for Americans of all leanings to be in denial.

I was anticipating the end of this election, now I find that the situation is just as bad or worse. I'm not talking about which candidate won, but the vitriol coming from both right and left. The intensity is killing me.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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At the root principle of the article, I agree that a platform which spreads erroneous information should be held accountable in some fashion - but it's the following kind of set up that is troublesome: > In addition to doing more to weed out lies and false propaganda, Facebook could tweak its algorithm so that it does less to reinforce users’ existing beliefs, and more to present factual information. This may seem di…

Facebook can do whatever it wants. Personally, if facebook does not stop the spread of false information I will stop using their services and will do my best to convince my friends to stop using their services. If they want to create harmful social bubbles for profit that's their prerogative, but I won't be part of it.

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post #9

I think it's too early to tell if these fake stories had any effect on people's political leanings, so diving in without knowing much about it is a bit of a different kind of fake news. It's hunches and opinions without critical examination. Now it's definitely a question to ask but I'm afraid it's being asked as a way to explain Hillary's loss because it's easier to find a scapegoat than look introspectively --and D…

>> I think it's too early to tell if these fake stories had any effect on people's political leanings Facebook isn't the only place people get 'fake news'. Just look at their peer groups. My cousin is a member of a labor union and they tell all kind of goofy tales about what will happen is candidate X gets elected or candidate Y gets elected. You should hear the coffee shop rambling the old men do at Tim Horton's in…

You make a great point, although I think it's different. These are just people opining privately rather than a "news" organization presumably publishing news/information based on some kind of rigor --now, which one has more influence on voting, yes, I agree, your circle of friends is typically more influential, disinformed as it may be.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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I can't believe how people are trying desperately to find a culprit, a reason, an explanation and turning to Facebook for their choice of scapegoat. I mean if half your country is voting for a person whose face could easily illustrate the entries for both demagogue and ignorant in a dictionary, you have bigger problems than Facebook.

If you'd like more of the same, keep it up.

This is inflammatory bait and not HN-quality discourse.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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I don't believe he is in denial at all. In fact the article strikes me as more of the same reason why so many voted for Trump. The people who write these articles just can't accept the idea that people didn't vote for Trump unless they were tricked into it, or were fed lies. The idea that because they have a different reality they based their votes on never occurred to them. What fake news do is reinoforce what peopl…

I didn't get that sense from the article. It was all about influence. False stories influence people's opinions, and that may have encouraged voters to turn out or not for their candidate. There was a lot of false and misleading information distributed online during this election, and literally spoken by the candidates (one more than another). The biggest lie is actually at the heart of Trump's campaign, that he can…

Except to be fair to the Dems and the Clinton campaign, they did have proposals and white papers addressing exactly these communities. For example, a proposal to invest $30 billion into coal mining communities within the Appalachia regions with promises for infrastructure investment and private business investment, and retraining former and current miners into new skilled occupations. Of course all of this pales in comparison to Clinton's emails, while Trump's incoherent economic message of howling pain to reopen all the mining operations gets all the air time it needs.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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post #5

The Times is in denial that anyone considers it anything other than a mixture of Democratic party propaganda and clickbait legacy media. The stats are not looking good for them and dying industries always lash out reflexively and ineffectively at random opponents.

The NYT? Really? I would agree if you were describing Huffington Post or various other left-wing rags, but the NYT is pretty far from a Democratic Propaganda paper.

NYT is not a great paper, it's not the worst, but it has issues. It has been demonstrated in the past that they change or skip coverage of important stories in order to maintain access. Often when they do have important stories they get buried in the paper while the front page exposes something significantly less meaningful.

Basically, I do trust that what they write is true, but I don't trust them to always write it...

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post #33

I'm scared people are going to keep pushing for social media to implement stronger filters. I believe very strongly that the free flow of information (even when it's just wrong) is critical. Information gives people power, but withholding information takes power away. If a company like Facebook implements the filter, we're giving that power to them and hoping they are ambivalent. The solution to fake news is for peop…

Also any kind of filter is open to abuse

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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post #33

I'm scared people are going to keep pushing for social media to implement stronger filters. I believe very strongly that the free flow of information (even when it's just wrong) is critical. Information gives people power, but withholding information takes power away. If a company like Facebook implements the filter, we're giving that power to them and hoping they are ambivalent. The solution to fake news is for peop…

Maybe instead of filtering they can label the items that are not real news, or label the real news as news(I am not from US so the use case I am thinking of is fake medical/scientific news so in this domain would be easier to start with)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Lol NYTimes. Pot kettle black.

Looks like Zuckerberg doesn't have veto power at nytimes ;).

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213

Lack of any self-awareness can only be attributed to arrogance. This is exactly the type of arrogance that got their candidate defeated and made Trump an underdog.

Fuck you nytimes.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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The only problem is: you can't fix stupid. It doesn't really matter. If it's not Facebook, it's Gawker, Buzzfeed or a thousend other clickbait outlets.

If somebody actually believes the pope would endorse an American election candidate there really is nothing you can do.

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