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Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Post by ThomPete »

conistonwater wrote: post #18
ThomPete wrote: post #11

I don't believe he is in denial at all. In fact the article strikes me as more of the same reason why so many voted for Trump. The people who write these articles just can't accept the idea that people didn't vote for Trump unless they were tricked into it, or were fed lies. The idea that because they have a different reality they based their votes on never occurred to them. What fake news do is reinoforce what peopl…

That is not the argument in the opinion piece at all. What are you responding to?

Here is an examples which illustrates it perfectly well:

"After the election, Mr. Zuckerberg claimed that the fake news was a problem on “both sides” of the race. That’s wrong. There are, of course, viral fake anti-Trump memes, but reporters have found that the spread of false news is far more common on the right than it is on the left."

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Post by splawn »

conistonwater wrote: post #18
ThomPete wrote: post #11

I don't believe he is in denial at all. In fact the article strikes me as more of the same reason why so many voted for Trump. The people who write these articles just can't accept the idea that people didn't vote for Trump unless they were tricked into it, or were fed lies. The idea that because they have a different reality they based their votes on never occurred to them. What fake news do is reinoforce what peopl…

That is not the argument in the opinion piece at all. What are you responding to?

Take a look at his comment history, that is Thom's MO. Trump being elected due to misinformation triggers the crap out of him for some reason.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Post by dariusm5 »

Considering that American's trust in mainstream media is an all time low [1], I'm sure there is a big demand for alternative news. I'm not surprised people are looking for content that fits their narrative and end up reading fake articles.

As someone observing from Mexico, I noticed almost all of the mainstream US media became an echo chamber for pro-Clinton content. I only realized this after after seeing how Sanders was sabotaged and the media collectively tried to bury it. Here in Mexico it's a similar situation with a few big media outlets protecting the corrupt status quo.

[1] http://www.gallup.com/poll/185927/americans-trust-media-rema...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Post by [deleted] »

RankingMember wrote: post #10
VLM wrote: post #5

The Times is in denial that anyone considers it anything other than a mixture of Democratic party propaganda and clickbait legacy media. The stats are not looking good for them and dying industries always lash out reflexively and ineffectively at random opponents.

The NYT? Really? I would agree if you were describing Huffington Post or various other left-wing rags, but the NYT is pretty far from a Democratic Propaganda paper.

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Post by mistermann »

VeejayRampay wrote: post #14

I can't believe how people are trying desperately to find a culprit, a reason, an explanation and turning to Facebook for their choice of scapegoat. I mean if half your country is voting for a person whose face could easily illustrate the entries for both demagogue and ignorant in a dictionary, you have bigger problems than Facebook.

If you'd like more of the same, keep it up.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Post by bluejekyll »

ThomPete wrote: post #11

I don't believe he is in denial at all. In fact the article strikes me as more of the same reason why so many voted for Trump. The people who write these articles just can't accept the idea that people didn't vote for Trump unless they were tricked into it, or were fed lies. The idea that because they have a different reality they based their votes on never occurred to them. What fake news do is reinoforce what peopl…

I didn't get that sense from the article. It was all about influence. False stories influence people's opinions, and that may have encouraged voters to turn out or not for their candidate.

There was a lot of false and misleading information distributed online during this election, and literally spoken by the candidates (one more than another).

The biggest lie is actually at the heart of Trump's campaign, that he can bring back the jobs. Those jobs he's talking about haven't just been outsourced to other countries, in many cases they have been automated into oblivion. Trump promised to bring these back, but how can you bring something back that doesn't exist?

Mind you the Dems and Clinton had no substantial story to weave for the people that are hurting from the lack of these jobs. So people chose the fiction over no substantive story. It's an uncomfortable thing to tell people that everything they know is irrrelevent in the modern economy.

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Post by bbctol »

"Fake stories" are not the biggest problem, and focusing on them could fix surface issues without addressing the underlying echo chamber effect. This piece is better than most, but I wish all people arguing for Facebook and Google to stop enabling opinions to be manipulated weren't so distracted by simple lies. It's the series of cherry-picked facts that create a narrative that we have to watch out for.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Post by ThomPete »

splawn wrote: post #22
conistonwater wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not the argument in the opinion piece at all. What are you responding to?

Take a look at his comment history, that is Thom's MO. Trump being elected due to misinformation triggers the crap out of him for some reason.

What about making the case that it did happen because of misinformation instead of focusing on my comment history?

I have said a lot of things on both sides and is hardly just some troll. We all have our triggers, this is one for me so whats wrong with that?

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