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Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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post #64

Our entire media class is in denial.

The far-right wing of the media just took over the executive branch of our government. We are all in denial.

And yet, I can't wait to hear ostensibly intelligent people continue to whine about "political correctness" and how it's ruining everything.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

#112

I don't believe he is in denial at all. In fact the article strikes me as more of the same reason why so many voted for Trump. The people who write these articles just can't accept the idea that people didn't vote for Trump unless they were tricked into it, or were fed lies. The idea that because they have a different reality they based their votes on never occurred to them. What fake news do is reinoforce what peopl…

I didn't get that sense from the article. It was all about influence. False stories influence people's opinions, and that may have encouraged voters to turn out or not for their candidate. There was a lot of false and misleading information distributed online during this election, and literally spoken by the candidates (one more than another). The biggest lie is actually at the heart of Trump's campaign, that he can…

> how can you bring something back that doesn't exist

Quite simply, you take away labor protections. Automation does not eliminate jobs, it competes for them. If people are cheaper, businesses will opt for people, even in the presence of automation. Robots won't work for free; people have proven time and time again that they will.

There is some evidence[1] that Trump supports this method, at least to the point that he can push the blame onto lower levels of government if jobs don't materialize.

[1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/09/donald-tr...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

#113
post #83

And this is coming from NYT, a bullshit venue, whose boss said in a recent letter: "... we aim to rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism. That is to report America and the world honestly, without fear or favor ...". NYT should close the business, nobody trusts them anymore.

Yeah NYT is in denial, not Zuck.

>We cannot deliver the independent, original journalism for which we are known without the loyalty of our readers.

Funny, considering the newspaper just had a 96% drop in profits last quarter.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

#115

I don't believe he is in denial at all. In fact the article strikes me as more of the same reason why so many voted for Trump. The people who write these articles just can't accept the idea that people didn't vote for Trump unless they were tricked into it, or were fed lies. The idea that because they have a different reality they based their votes on never occurred to them. What fake news do is reinoforce what peopl…

1) Anecdote is not evidence. 2) In one breath you dismiss this article as elitism, and in the very next admit the problem of fake news, which is exactly what this article is talking about. It's not another discussion. It is exactly this discussion. I've never seen such a blatant use of straw man.

The article claims that Zuckerberg is wrong in his claim that the fake news affected the election in any meaningful way.

Thats what I am talking about, not sure what exactly make you say it's a straw man.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except to be fair to the Dems and the Clinton campaign, they did have proposals and white papers addressing exactly these communities. For example, a proposal to invest $30 billion into coal mining communities within the Appalachia regions with promises for infrastructure investment and private business investment, and retraining former and current miners into new skilled occupations. Of course all of this pales in c…

Hillary also was resistant to the $15 minimum wage which would make a _huge_ difference for a lot of folks in the countryside. Hillary of course wanted to treat them like second-class citizens with only a $12 minimum. Who's going to go read white-papers after that sort of offer?

I live in London. In the UK we have a statutory minimum wage (like the federal min wage - we are having almost the same debate in the UK) and a voluntary 'living wage' that is higher than the minimum wage and set to a minimum level that you can raise a family on with some degree of comfort. Its meant to be a signal for UK businesses about what kind of wage is a 'good wage' for low skilled work that treats their employees and their employees' labour with dignity.

The living wage in London is £9.75 and everywhere else its £8.45. Nobody says the living wage council thinks that people outside of London are second class citizens. People think that the living wage council is wise to recognise that living costs are much higher in cities like London, and areas outside of London have a business cost advantage for locating operations outside of London because people living in smaller towns have lower living costs and hence can enjoy the same living standard on less income.

Don't be a jerk by taking the least charitable interpretation of a policy when you know full well that it's bollocks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

#117
post #87

reporters have found that the spread of false news is far more common on the right than it is on the left Citation needed.

"A recent BuzzFeed News analysis of giant hyperpartisan Facebook pages found that 38% of posts on conservative pages and 19% of posts on liberal pages featured false or misleading content."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/partisan-fb-pages-an...

From https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/can-facebook-trendin...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How, I wonder, do you report on a candidate, who we have a recording bragging about sexual assault, and avoid a "hit piece"? To make a derogatory article attacking trump literally all you have to do is quote what he's said on the record; No editorializing necessary.

Even labeling lewd sexualised comments ("locker talk") as "bragging about sexual assault" is bias. People have different ways of communicating that not everyone might agree with, but what you're doing is trivialising the victims of actual sexual assault.

I refer you to the department of justice's definition of sexual assault [0]. "Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient."

Grabbing by the genitals, yeah I think that covers it. Personal definitions of lewdness aside, you don't get to change the laws.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

#119
post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How, I wonder, do you report on a candidate, who we have a recording bragging about sexual assault, and avoid a "hit piece"? To make a derogatory article attacking trump literally all you have to do is quote what he's said on the record; No editorializing necessary.

Even labeling lewd sexualised comments ("locker talk") as "bragging about sexual assault" is bias. People have different ways of communicating that not everyone might agree with, but what you're doing is trivialising the victims of actual sexual assault.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

#120
post #59

Am I reading between the lines correctly, is she saying Trump won because his supporters read about lizard people on Facebook? Speaking of denial, wonder where on a realness gradient she puts NYTimes or CNN?

NYT is so out of touch. After extreme bias during the election cycle and a 96% drop in profits last quarter, they released a statement to their subscribers. Here's my favorite part:

>We cannot deliver the independent, original journalism for which we are known without the loyalty of our readers.

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