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Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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grandalf wrote: post #346
SiVal wrote: post #17

So Microsoft is treating the Mac more seriously as a professional platform while Apple is treating it less seriously? I'm not saying this in a snarky way; I mean it literally as a change of corporate strategies in both companies. Microsoft seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work, we want to do a better job of empowering you, and Apple seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly…

Do most developers really need anything with a CPU more powerful than an iPhone 5 to build apps or web pages? In most cases if they do they're doing it wrong.

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Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by sdegutis »

ubernostrum wrote: post #77
SiVal wrote: post #17

So Microsoft is treating the Mac more seriously as a professional platform while Apple is treating it less seriously? I'm not saying this in a snarky way; I mean it literally as a change of corporate strategies in both companies. Microsoft seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work, we want to do a better job of empowering you, and Apple seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly…

Meanwhile, a "pro" user who's actually used the new Macbook Pro weighs in: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/thomas-grove-carter/one-prof... Spoiler alert: he doesn't agree with the assessment of HN users who haven't actually used it.

> "A 'Professional' should be defined by the work they deliver and the value they bring, not their gear."

This is absolutely silly. A professional blacksmith can't work without a proper anvil. There really is something to be said about having proper tools for the job. You can't drive in a nail with a shoe, you'll need a legit hammer.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by ReverseCold »

grandalf wrote: post #346
SiVal wrote: post #17

So Microsoft is treating the Mac more seriously as a professional platform while Apple is treating it less seriously? I'm not saying this in a snarky way; I mean it literally as a change of corporate strategies in both companies. Microsoft seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work, we want to do a better job of empowering you, and Apple seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly…

Do most developers really need anything with a CPU more powerful than an iPhone 5 to build apps or web pages? In most cases if they do they're doing it wrong.

Until you need to work with something that requires babel/gulp/etc builds, it's fine.

The second either is added to the project, you will need a much more powerful computer.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by PHPApple »

grandalf wrote: post #346
SiVal wrote: post #17

So Microsoft is treating the Mac more seriously as a professional platform while Apple is treating it less seriously? I'm not saying this in a snarky way; I mean it literally as a change of corporate strategies in both companies. Microsoft seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work, we want to do a better job of empowering you, and Apple seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly…

Do most developers really need anything with a CPU more powerful than an iPhone 5 to build apps or web pages? In most cases if they do they're doing it wrong.

Yes, in many cases. Building is very CPU and memory intense. Many times you have to run local severs to debug on. I often find myself running local servers, building my apps, running my IDE, creating assets in Photoshop, and more all at once.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by coredog64 »

tracker1 wrote: post #173
static_noise wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article is a typical example of "If it suits me, it must suit everybody." and your post is a good example for the no-true-Scotsman-fallacy of "Noone who _really_ used it dislikes it." All I really know about this is how I feel about it and I must admit that I am going to go back to the PC world when the time comes to replace my current MBP. The offerings in the PC world are not perfect for me but they suit me be…

I am in a similar situation... I bought my current MBP and will use it until it dies more than likely, but not sure if I'd buy another Mac. The touchpad on the MBP is second to none, which is what kept me this time but there's a massive premium there. I use Mac, windows and Linux daily... And honestly the Mac is the most odd ui of the three for me. Having bash is pretty nice as is homebrew... I'm really hoping MS put…

I just bought a Magic Trackpad 2 and am using it with Windows 7. It requires the purchase of a $10 utility to get all the fancy stuff (scrolling, right click), but it's not bad.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by acdha »

talmand wrote: post #342
acdha wrote: post #337

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How many developers need more capacity than the new MacBook Pro but still less than the largest laptops offer? The few non-gamers I know who are still CPU/GPU-limited are using clusters of machines because no single machine is large enough and in most cases it's significantly cheaper to rent capacity for the few times when they need it rather than pay up-front for something which will be idle a fair percent of the ye…

I'm not sure I'm understanding what you are suggesting here.

I see three potential groups of buyers:

1. People whose needs are satisfied by almost any laptop with an SSD and semi-recent CPU/GPU.

2. People who need the absolute top-end system but can fit their work on a single machine (e.g. if you had a model which uses 20GB of RAM, a 16GB machine is unsuitable but a 32GB machine is fine).

3. People who have so much data / computation that no normal computer can handle it.

My gut feeling is that #1 covers most of the market and the question is really how many people fall into group #2 but not group #3, especially in the context of laptops where the ceilings are smaller on both the Mac and PC side. I would further expect that a fair number of the people in the second group are not running those workloads 24x7 and thus have a practical, often cheaper, option of renting an hour of time on AWS/Google/Azure/etc. when they need to do something and get the results faster rather than leaving their laptop running for a day or two — even the best laptop GPUs are smaller capacity than what you can rent on a server.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by module0000 »

codazoda wrote: post #345
FlyingSnake wrote: post #92

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> If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work... This is extremely dishonest assessment that only 'Developers' do professional work. Mac is used by Engineers, CAD/CAM, designers, illustrators, artists, musicians, etc and to reduce it only to developers is disingenuous. I for one is happy with the new Mac and there are several people who've found it great for 'pro' use.

I'm a developer and plan to get the new MacBook Pro. I just don't use function or escape keys that much. So, it seems like it's a subset of developers that are bothered by this. I used Windows when I was young, then switched to Linux for 10 years professionally, and finally I switched to the Mac about 5 years ago. I find it much easier to use day-to-day than Linux. Especially using multiple displays in different offi…

The "oh I can live with this" moment for me with the new mac was remapping caps-lock to escape. It's not as bad as I expected it to be(the new keyboard layout). Not as good as I wanted, but not as horrible as HN and other places warned.
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