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Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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I think Microsoft will end-of-life Xamarin Studio and will convert it to Visual Studio brand with just support of OSX and Linux

I wouldn't bet my money on a Linux release

.NET Core is for running apps on Linux. For a large chunk of the server market, that is plainly a requirement these days.

But most people writing the apps which then run on Linux, develop them on Macs (and the point of WSL is to give them a reason to consider Windows for this).

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

#92
post #17

So Microsoft is treating the Mac more seriously as a professional platform while Apple is treating it less seriously? I'm not saying this in a snarky way; I mean it literally as a change of corporate strategies in both companies. Microsoft seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work, we want to do a better job of empowering you, and Apple seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly…

> If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work...

This is extremely dishonest assessment that only 'Developers' do professional work. Mac is used by Engineers, CAD/CAM, designers, illustrators, artists, musicians, etc and to reduce it only to developers is disingenuous.

I for one is happy with the new Mac and there are several people who've found it great for 'pro' use.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

#93

For a moment I got all excited and thought they had ported WPF to OS/X.

Awesome Idea. No market.

There are still people doing desktop development, not as many as web but it hasn't completely gone away. Sadly we are being ignored.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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post #76

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It used to, they moved to WPF with Visual Studio 2010, now it's mostly WPF with some legacy parts that are still in C++

AFAIK the editor (shell) is WPF (C#?) but the internals are still mostly C++/Win32.

The shell still has a lot of C++ in it, yes (but also a lot of C#).

But the shell is a relatively small part of the entire IDE - the bulk of it is the extensions that actually provide support for various languages and technologies. Those also have some C++, either as legacy code, or because the team just preferred it, but by now C# is definitely the majority of it, and it keeps trending in that direction.

A lot of it can be very non-obvious and defying common sense. For example, if you take VS 2013 (pre-Roslyn), the C++ project system was written entirely in C#, while the C# project system was written mostly in C++.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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This is absolutely amazing. C# has always been a great language, except the .NET ecosystem (sans Mono) has always revolved around Windows only. Next up, when is VS for Linux?

Indeed. I've been using XS on Mac and VS on PC to build a cross-platform product - with shared code for 'core' calculations + view model stuff and dedicated GUI pieces for each platform - for a couple of years now, and I've been sometimes very frustrated by the restrictions of XS compared to VS; it made the Mac side of things much slower to develop. This, and other recent moves by Microsoft with respect to Xamarin, have made me happy (and, yes, somewhat relieved), that I 'bet the company' on this kind of architecture.

There doesn't appear to much demand for our product on Linux - it's targeted towards quite a conservative and on-tech market - but Linux support would also be very welcome.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

#96
post #14

For a moment I got all excited and thought they had ported WPF to OS/X.

I get the impression that WPF is pretty much on life support.

It's merged to Xaml not? And what do you want more for WPF?

PS. According to me it was difficult to port the Graphic part of WPF to Linux/Mac.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Hmm I have been googling for the last 15 minutes to find the difference between visual studio and visual studio code and cant seem to find a concrete answer. I thought yours was actually a hint at what it is aimed for but when you go to: http://code.visualstudio.com/ it actually says it supports c++,c#... I still dont get what the difference is.. Having only ever developed on linux I am actually slightly excited to u…

You do know the difference between a text editor and an IDE? That's the difference between VS Code and VS.

Do YOU know the difference? Would it hurt to be more concrete? I'm going to venture a guess based on my assumptions, which are probably wrong, but then we can at least start a discussion:

-VS Code doesn't support solution-wide refactoring like renaming classes or moving a method from one class to another

-VS Code doesn't support runtime debugging (breakpoints)

-VS Code doesn't have a visual editor

-VS Code doesn't have memory or performance profiling tools

-VS Code doesn't have source control integration

-VS Code doesn't have an integrated build tool (MSBuild)

-VS Code doesn't have NPM or Nuget integration

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

#99
>At its heart, Visual Studio for Mac is a macOS counterpart of the Windows version of Visual Studio.

Does it have a monolithic install and update process that's essentially a slow, bloated black box? That's my main turn-off with Visual Studio on Windows, and even more so with Windows itself.

As soon as Microsoft figures out efficient installation and updates via CLI without the need to reboot, they'll dominate the developer space (and perhaps server market, where reboots are even more problematic).

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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post #17

So Microsoft is treating the Mac more seriously as a professional platform while Apple is treating it less seriously? I'm not saying this in a snarky way; I mean it literally as a change of corporate strategies in both companies. Microsoft seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work, we want to do a better job of empowering you, and Apple seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly…

For those of us that only care about XCode and Swift/Objective-C frameworks, Apple is doing just fine.
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