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Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by mobiuscog »

ubernostrum wrote: post #77
SiVal wrote: post #17

So Microsoft is treating the Mac more seriously as a professional platform while Apple is treating it less seriously? I'm not saying this in a snarky way; I mean it literally as a change of corporate strategies in both companies. Microsoft seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work, we want to do a better job of empowering you, and Apple seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly…

Meanwhile, a "pro" user who's actually used the new Macbook Pro weighs in: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/thomas-grove-carter/one-prof... Spoiler alert: he doesn't agree with the assessment of HN users who haven't actually used it.

Except he's coming at it with a strong bias:

    No matter what you think the specs say, the fact is the software and hardware are so well integrated
      it tears strips off "superior spec'd" Windows counterparts in the real world.
    This has always been true of Macs.
Having used both lines of machines for many years, if I want raw power and 'specs' I use the PC.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

#83

Post by Steeeve »

coldtea wrote: post #63
rimantas wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is not saying anything like this, just a bunch of whiners twisting things. Just like they did after any Mac upgrade.

> WRONG. The removal of a dozen keys from an already gimped keyboard is decidedly anti-developer. I am a developer and I could not care less about function keys. Why the duck would developers need function keys? Even for Vim, the age-old advice is to remap Esc so that you keep your hands on the home row. A flexible multi-touch strip of context-aware keys can do much more things -- e.g. map debugger step moves when I'…

More than a few developers have spoken up on the issue here on HN. The escape key is commonly used, as are many other function keys. Other vendors have rolled out similar gadgets to apple and they've been rejected by the development community at large - which apple would have known because they don't implement things like that willy nilly.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

#84

Post by trymas »

SiVal wrote: post #17

So Microsoft is treating the Mac more seriously as a professional platform while Apple is treating it less seriously? I'm not saying this in a snarky way; I mean it literally as a change of corporate strategies in both companies. Microsoft seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work, we want to do a better job of empowering you, and Apple seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly…

I feel so strange about this.

On one hand microsoft stepped up their attention to individual professionals (e.g. designers, developers, etc., more or less like Apple 15-20 years ago) and apple seems to forget them.

On the other hand, microsoft is infamous for privacy, for their forced upgrades, their updates, whereas apple emphasizes privacy.

I like macbooks as laptops, but on software front apple seems to rest on their laurels and developers seem to use macbooks, either because unix or there's more money in App store than elsewhere.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

#85

Post by satysin »

Kipters wrote: post #76
ygra wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Visual Studio for Windows is mostly C++, plus a lot of other things. Heck, there's JavaScript in there, too.

It used to, they moved to WPF with Visual Studio 2010, now it's mostly WPF with some legacy parts that are still in C++

AFAIK the editor (shell) is WPF (C#?) but the internals are still mostly C++/Win32.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by Kipters »

mobiuscog wrote: post #81
ubernostrum wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile, a "pro" user who's actually used the new Macbook Pro weighs in: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/thomas-grove-carter/one-prof... Spoiler alert: he doesn't agree with the assessment of HN users who haven't actually used it.

Except he's coming at it with a strong bias: No matter what you think the specs say, the fact is the software and hardware are so well integrated it tears strips off "superior spec'd" Windows counterparts in the real world. This has always been true of Macs. Having used both lines of machines for many years, if I want raw power and 'specs' I use the PC.

I've also had the feeling he was strongly biased throughout the whole article

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by satysin »

santaclaus wrote: post #40
netheril96 wrote: post #5

No C++ support, I suppose.

I was really excited until I realized that. A C# IDE on macOS is cool, but damn I would kill for a better C++ experience on Apple. Xcode is ok, but it's code completion is buggy and there is no refactoring support... I've heard CLion is cool but I'm kind of poor and don't have the spare cash for it.

CLion is like $8/month. That is the price of a couple of coffees. I think it is worth that IMHO.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

#88

Post by Kipters »

Steeeve wrote: post #83
coldtea wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> WRONG. The removal of a dozen keys from an already gimped keyboard is decidedly anti-developer. I am a developer and I could not care less about function keys. Why the duck would developers need function keys? Even for Vim, the age-old advice is to remap Esc so that you keep your hands on the home row. A flexible multi-touch strip of context-aware keys can do much more things -- e.g. map debugger step moves when I'…

More than a few developers have spoken up on the issue here on HN. The escape key is commonly used, as are many other function keys. Other vendors have rolled out similar gadgets to apple and they've been rejected by the development community at large - which apple would have known because they don't implement things like that willy nilly.

Since we're talking about what is basically a rebrand of Xamarin Studio, the current release of Xamarin Studio for Mac uses the function keys for stepping in the debugger

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by Twisell »

erelde wrote: post #62
rimantas wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is not saying anything like this, just a bunch of whiners twisting things. Just like they did after any Mac upgrade.

I don't know if it's just the usual whining of people complaining about new things. From the exterior (I'm too young and the only Mac I've ever used was the Macintosh Plus - bragging , with 4Mo of RAM- while I was a child), it really seems like Apple has dropped the ball for professionals, both developers and graphics people. There are now equally well designed PCs (laptops and desktops) from other manufacturers, Win…

I don't now where you lived the past 20 years but theses are maybe the most classical arguments against mac in business.

Mac have never been "for Pro" if you go that way. So I guess it confirm that it's not the company that shifted it's focus, but maybe there is more potentials customers expectation of Apple going more "pro".

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

#90

Post by Kipters »

satysin wrote: post #85
Kipters wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It used to, they moved to WPF with Visual Studio 2010, now it's mostly WPF with some legacy parts that are still in C++

AFAIK the editor (shell) is WPF (C#?) but the internals are still mostly C++/Win32.

Seems plausible, I don't know enough details to argue this.
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