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Trump’s sweep could be a big setback to Tesla and Elon Musk

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Post by saretired »

merc285 wrote: post #88
saretired wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump received a 40-year, $120 million full tax abatement from NYC for the Grand Hyatt (Newsweek 6/17/90) . He sought a residential tax abatement for Trump Tower, an abatement designed for low- and middle-income housing (NYT, 8/6/1983), and an abatement for another luxury tower, Trump Palace, and for Trump International Hotel (NYT 7/17/94). He sought a $356 million low-interest loan from the federal government for th…

please explain to me how this has anything to do with tesla

Well, if you read the article, it mentions the tax breaks that Tesla buyers get, and that the "future of these tax credits may come into question based on Trump's opposition to the government picking winners and losers."

How is constantly seeking government hand-outs capitalism? How is taking those hand-outs not allowing the government to pick winners and losers?

Re: Trump’s sweep could be a big setback to Tesla and Elon Musk

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Post by comicjk »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #92
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #84

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He exhibits all the diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. These people, by definition, only care about themselves.

One of the criteria for a mental illness is that it's negatively affecting your ability to work, have social relationships, etc. Trump just got elected President of the United States; it is not negatively affecting him. And people who work around him seem to like him.

The people who are left around him, perhaps - there's been pretty high attrition over the course of the campaign. And (sample size of 1) the only person I know personally who has worked with Trump did not like the experience.

Re: Trump’s sweep could be a big setback to Tesla and Elon Musk

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Post by lingben »

DefaultUserHN wrote: post #75
lingben wrote: post #35

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if you have been paying attention to what he says, then you would have heard that he is incredibly against renewable energy sources, especially wind (he has a major grudge against wind farms ever since his battle with them in Scotland) http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-loses-battle-to-stop-wind-... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/22/trump-re... it is notoriously difficult to pin down what Trump stand…

>...it is notoriously difficult to pin down what Trump stands for... He was pretty clear about it. He's for wind energy, just not on his golf course.

“The wind kills all your birds. All your birds, killed. You know, the environmentalists never talk about that.”

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/290093-trump-wi...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/19/do...

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Post by lingben »

hoorayimhelping wrote: post #69
lingben wrote: post #35

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if you have been paying attention to what he says, then you would have heard that he is incredibly against renewable energy sources, especially wind (he has a major grudge against wind farms ever since his battle with them in Scotland) http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-loses-battle-to-stop-wind-... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/22/trump-re... it is notoriously difficult to pin down what Trump stand…

> it is notoriously difficult to pin down what Trump stands for... > he only truly cares about himself and only thinks about what will benefit him... and his penchant for "clean" coal is crystal clear Which is it? It's hard to pin down what he stands for, or is it crystal clear?

doesn't seem like you actually read what I wrote but here's a relevant article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/19/do...

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Post by piotrjurkiewicz »

cossatot wrote: post #99
Spivak wrote: post #43

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Serous question, why not just fund/subsidize the research and development until it's actually competitive? Then when it's ready to bring to market give them a huge investment for the infrastructure to combat the high barrier to entry in return for something we want as a society, like say, a cap on battery costs or an open charging protocol. Are electric cars, as they currently stand, really so environmentally friendl…

Electricity isn't a primary energy source. Electric cars are only as environmentally friendly as the power generation plants that make it. If you're in Seattle, your Tesla is pretty low-CO2 because it runs on hydropower. If you're in the northeast, your Tesla runs on coal, and if you're in CA, it runs on natural gas. But the combustion doesn't happen in the middle of the cities, and is centralized, so some aspects of…

> so some aspects of the pollution can be controlled a little more

ALL aspects of the pollution can be controlled in big power generation plants.

For example coal power plants have advanced filter systems, which can reduce pollutants by more than 99% in some cases.

http://i.imgur.com/dsNgDvn.png

http://web.archive.org/web/20150611212052/http://www.babcock...

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40789-014-0001-x

Moreover, in power plants, coal burns in a much more optimal conditions, what results in less pollutants being generated.

> According to Environment Canada, coal-fired power plants in Alberta in 2011 emitted only 0.4% of PM2.5 of human-made emissions (excluding wildfires).

https://friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FoS_BurningQue...

The only thing which can't be controlled is CO2. But this is not a pollutant.

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Post by dragontamer »

_ea1k wrote: post #61
tlack wrote: post #19

He doesn't seem totally opposed to renewable energy sources: "It should be the goal of the American people and their government to achieve energy independence as soon as possible. Energy independence means exploring and developing every possible energy source including wind, solar, nuclear and bio-fuels. A thriving market system will allow consumers to determine the best sources of energy for future consumption." Fro…

Yes, he has said things that are very pro-renewable. Even his pro-coal stance is pro "clean" coal. A "clean" requirement for coal-based energy sources will effectively make it less economically viable relative to other energy sources. Of course, he has also said some stupid things that are very anti-renewable when he has been in front of audiences that wanted to hear that (some parts of his base). Which Donald Trump…

> Yes, he has said things that are very pro-renewable. Even his pro-coal stance is pro "clean" coal. A "clean" requirement for coal-based energy sources will effectively make it less economically viable relative to other energy sources.

How is removing regulations from the EPA going to focus on "clean" coal? Trump is going to remove regulations.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

ajross wrote: post #53
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #4

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If we harvest Methane Hydrate deposits undersea and pipe them into coastal cities, then natural gas could become essentially free. That would be hard to beat.

You have a cite for that? Gas is extraordinarily transportable already. If this were true, we'd be sucking those deposits already and shipping or pipelining the LNG already.

Just discovered and mapped. Japan is harvesting them.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

acchow wrote: post #56
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #4

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If we harvest Methane Hydrate deposits undersea and pipe them into coastal cities, then natural gas could become essentially free. That would be hard to beat.

Under your definition of "free", aren't current forms of natural gas "free"? Or any other form of hydrocarbon mining?

These deposits happen to be freakishly convenient (offshore coastal cities) and the technology to harvest is ready (offshore drilling). Also they are essentially endless (centuries of supply). Its like they were planted there to tempt us.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

hx87 wrote: post #6
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #4

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If we harvest Methane Hydrate deposits undersea and pipe them into coastal cities, then natural gas could become essentially free. That would be hard to beat.

The capital costs though...and if you ignore capital costs, sunshine is free.

They're huge and convenient. Capital costs paid once; gas flows for centuries. It'll amortize to almost nothing.
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