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Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by mixedCase »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #128
gozur88 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Fact checking" was never more than a partisan exercise. The people going to PoliFact for fact checking are the people who wouldn't vote for Trump anyway.

Lol. 'Facts' are partisan. Lol... God help us all.

You missed the quotation marks in his comment.

So-called "fact checkers" are almost never non-partisan in practice, pronouncing half-truths or outright lies as facts and truth or almost correct information as (in PolitiFact terms) "Pants on fire" lies.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by burkaman »

Buge wrote: post #95
burkaman wrote: post #57

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A few forgotten promises from the campaign trail: "I will release my tax returns when Obama releases his birth certificate." - http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2011/04/donald-trump-intervi... "If I run for office I will absolutely release my tax returns." - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg-5KEt1Abg "Melania will hold a press conference on questions about her immigration." - https://twitter.com/JDiamond1/status/76315…

That first tax returns quote is wrong (or the source is wrong). He said he might do it, not that he would do it.

I'm sorry, I paraphrased.

> We’ll look at that. Maybe I’m going to do the tax returns when Obama does his birth certificate. I may tie my tax returns. I’d love to give my tax returns. I may tie my tax returns into Obama’s birth certificate.

This is how Trump talks. For the entire campaign he talked about what he "might" do and backtracked if people didn't like it, so this is what we have to work with.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by notduncansmith »

yellowapple wrote: post #123
Jaruzel wrote: post #104

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Can someone explain why Americans hate ObamaCare? Here in the UK we have universal healthcare (the NHS) which all employed people pay for via a special tax (called National Insurance ,or NI) - isn't ObamaCare the same thing?

Not at all. ObamaCare requires every citizen to enroll in an insurance plan. If your employer doesn't offer one, then you're stuck with going through your state's exchange. Here in California, the available plans either have outrageous monthly costs or outrageous deductibles. There's an income tax penalty for each month you're uninsured, which eats into your tax returns. Last I checked, this penalty is still cheaper…

This. There's no actual incentive to cover yourself if you didn't like any of the options in the "marketplace", it's just that now you're taxed heavily for making that decision (and still not covered). While it may have helped force insurance companies to accept patients they wouldn't have otherwise, it also regressively taxed Americans who were already underserved by the market. "Too poor for health insurance? Here, have a kick in the teeth. You'll forget all about that back pain."

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by [deleted] »

Jaruzel wrote: post #104
threeseed wrote: post #98

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Republicans control the House and Senate. And Trump isn't going to veto conservative signature pieces like repealing ObamaCare.

Can someone explain why Americans hate ObamaCare? Here in the UK we have universal healthcare (the NHS) which all employed people pay for via a special tax (called National Insurance ,or NI) - isn't ObamaCare the same thing?

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Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by collyw »

edblarney wrote: post #117
matt_wulfeck wrote: post #88

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Honestly what else is new? I voted for Obama on pledges he'd end the war in Iraq and close down the constitutional abomination that is Guantanamo. 8 years later and here we are.

" I voted for Obama on pledges he'd end the war in Iraq and close down the constitutional abomination that is Guantanamo. 8 years later and here we are." Obama earnestly tried to close Guantanimo. He's a lawyer, and should have known better. Guantanimo is a geostrategic issue - that only 'looks like' a Constitutional problem. The problem is there are some very, very bad people in Guantanimo - and putting them through…

He also promised to protect whistleblowers. Got a good excuse for that as well?

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by nommm-nommm »

interpol_p wrote: post #83
pasquinelli wrote: post #41

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speaking of observations of overt bias, i've noticed that any time i question what i see as overt male chauvinism here i get downvoted without any explanation. i even got hellbanned once about it. this is only something i run into here, but the only other place i really comment is jezebel.

I've felt the same thing about the comments here. It has led me to stop trying to discuss any issues related to gender and avoid HN more on the whole.

Slashdot is worse, I stopped reading it for the same reason. :(

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by r_smart »

fny wrote: post #28
r00fus wrote: post #6

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Bingo. Promises, for Trump, are fulfilled upon announcement, and then forgotten. The examples are legion.

I think, despite political affiliation, it's our obligation to hold him to the promises we believe in and galvanize his fired-up base to do so as well. I voted for Clinton and volunteered for the campaign, but I'll gladly push him to keep his word on this promise and the others that I believe will benefit our country.

If you visit r/the_donald today, you'll see a lot of this sentiment. I think it's been easy to forget that regardless of political identity, most of us agree on a lot of things.

Like anyone in power, he should be held to account, and held to his promises. At least we can look forward to the media actually challenging the powers that be in the years ahead.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by NoGravitas »

Jaruzel wrote: post #126
yellowapple wrote: post #123

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Not at all. ObamaCare requires every citizen to enroll in an insurance plan. If your employer doesn't offer one, then you're stuck with going through your state's exchange. Here in California, the available plans either have outrageous monthly costs or outrageous deductibles. There's an income tax penalty for each month you're uninsured, which eats into your tax returns. Last I checked, this penalty is still cheaper…

Wow... and here's me thinking my own government (UK) was useless. So basically, the US government system doesn't care about its populous at all, regardless who sits in the big chair?

Now you're getting it.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by ajoy39 »

Jaruzel wrote: post #126
yellowapple wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. ObamaCare requires every citizen to enroll in an insurance plan. If your employer doesn't offer one, then you're stuck with going through your state's exchange. Here in California, the available plans either have outrageous monthly costs or outrageous deductibles. There's an income tax penalty for each month you're uninsured, which eats into your tax returns. Last I checked, this penalty is still cheaper…

Wow... and here's me thinking my own government (UK) was useless. So basically, the US government system doesn't care about its populous at all, regardless who sits in the big chair?

Obamacare also lets people under 26 stay on their parents health insurance longer, prevents insurance companies from dropping people from coverage or denying them coverage in the first case because of illness (yes, this used to be a thing in america, if you got cancer or some other disease that takes years of very expensive treatment to deal with your insurance company could just say "nah we're not paying for that" and drop you like a rock) and made health insurance affordable for millions of people who previously could not get it.

the affordable care act is far from perfect, but it's also not useless in any sense, and it needs to be modified not repealed. And yes I'm partially saying that because I and my brother will both lose and not be able to afford health insurance if it is repealed. I'm also saying that because I strongly belief in the benefits that have come out of the bill, even at the cost of some major downsides.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by vijayr »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #88
r00fus wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bingo. Promises, for Trump, are fulfilled upon announcement, and then forgotten. The examples are legion.

Honestly what else is new? I voted for Obama on pledges he'd end the war in Iraq and close down the constitutional abomination that is Guantanamo. 8 years later and here we are.

Not trying to defend the president (or anyone else), but - how else can one get elected? If voters carefully consider facts before voting then it makes sense for candidates to stick to facts and tell the truth and tell what is possible etc. But it doesn't happen, does it?
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