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Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by pkd »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #313

In an election largely between two epically bad candidates, the outcome fell in the direction I'd felt would be less bad, but in a way that's worse than I'd expected. I had strongly criticized both Clinton and Trump, but felt that in the balance, Clinton was a more dangerous candidate. Seeing how the chips fell, though, I'm even less confident that this was the preferable outcome. There are two key factors leading me…

> Clinton may be a bad person, but Sanders and Warren represent some really bad ideas

What are these very bad ideas exactly?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by vsl »

nickbauman wrote: post #539

I think we learned that fake news (used to pump up fake issues) is now a legitimate campaign strategy that works even on people who should know better. Trump won on a mountain of fake issues: Immigration: both conservative and liberal economists agree that immigration (illegal or otherwise) does not suppress wages and does not suppress job growth. https://www.cato.org/research/immigration http://business.time.com/201…

Funny, I'd think the lesson is that near-total mainstream propaganda actually generates pushback. See also: Britain, Germany (where press in universally suppresses and labels any opposition as "neofascist").

Also consider the possibility that many people voted not for Trump, but against Clinton and her fake issues (like the discredited wage gap myth).

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by mch82 »

jmkni wrote: post #168
mch82 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a community we need to create more tools like WordPress that decentralize wealth creation and create jobs. We need to create fewer tools like Medium that centralize wealth creation and eliminate jobs.

When the only tool you have is a hammer

Well this is hacker news, so I figured code is at least one tool this community has the ability to apply.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by mch82 »

inimino wrote: post #196
mch82 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a community we need to create more tools like WordPress that decentralize wealth creation and create jobs. We need to create fewer tools like Medium that centralize wealth creation and eliminate jobs.

I appreciate your passion for decentralization, but these issues go a bit beyond what kinds of software we write. The issues this election raised aren't going to be solved by writing code.

It's not just the kind of software, it's the kind of business model we enable with our software. The only way to create local jobs in communities across the United States is to empower people across communities in the United States.

If we look at mature technologies like plumbing we see an industry around them that enables small, local businesses. Yes a relatively few companies make plumbing components, but hundreds of independent plumbers are able to use those components distributed through local shops to solve local problems.

WordPress has done that for software. Through it's decentralized design it enables jobs for consultants, plug-in vendors, theme vendors, designers, web hosts, and content authors. This industry around WordPress employs many, many people. Further, it creates an opportunity for geographically targeted businesses to be built around WordPress.

The architecture of the tools systematizes the business models those tools enable.

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Post by boggydepot »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Karl Marx have put a great deal of time thinking about this. He's ideas are the basis of the Soviet Union. I believe he's analysis of our current system/economy is a real mind-opener and a must-read. Here's a quick intro on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWF_0lkBhjY&list=PLvoAL-KSZ3...

Imo, this is the system we need + human humility (e.g. to prevent corruption). Implementing it tho, will need everyone's cooperation; hence my writing of this comment.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by mch82 »

maxxxxx wrote: post #656
huac wrote: post #109

I have a lot of thoughts, but here's one: Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. It's undoubtably true now that there was a very real populist anger towards the existing political order, and…

I have heard something on the radio that rigs true: The Democrats used to be party for blue collar workers but they have totally abandoned them. At least Trump said the right things. I agree that Clinton never made a case for electing her other than being there for some reason. In general, the Republicans have the courage to take clear positions no matter right or wrong. Whereas the Democrats and especially Clinton a…

In what way has the Democratic Party abandoned blue collar workers? By supporting labor unions? By supporting labor laws? By supporting anti-discrimination laws?

I agree with you that the Democratic Party is horrible at communicating with voters.

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dang wrote: post #2

We buried the previous thread on this because, at almost 2000 comments, it was pegging the server. If you'd like to read it, and don't intend to comment, you could help your fellow users by logging out first, so we can serve you the page from cache: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 . If you do intend to comment, please take extra care to do so civilly and substantively, in the spirit of this site. Most p…

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Post by Grishnakh »

simonh wrote: post #200
lordnacho wrote: post #81

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Jobs that can't be exported are safe from movement. Hairdressing and cleaning for instance. That doesn't mean the person doing it can't be an immigrant, though, so perhaps by restricting immigration you reduce competition for it. Jobs that compete with similar jobs in other countries can potentially benefit from trade barriers. Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. Long term it's…

> Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. This is quite true, but the problem is those cars will be a lot more expensive. That means a small number of people employed making the cars benefit, while the vastly larger number of people buying them lose out in higher costs. This never works out to the benefit of the country as a whole and low wage earners are the ones that lose out the…

American cars are generally less expensive than foreign cars, not more. German cars are generally much more expensive than comparable American cars, and Japanese cars are usually a bit more expensive too. Both these nations have tried reducing costs by moving some of their production to places like Thailand, Mexico, and the USA (!). Labor rates in Germany and Japan are probably the highest in the world.

Making foreign cars more expensive will only make American cars a bit more expensive, due to higher demand, but in general will just raise prices for everyone.

People don't buy foreign cars these days because of cost. They buy them because of perceived higher quality, styling/performance preferences, brand cachet, etc. If they start selling Chinese-made cars here, maybe that'll change, but for now, saving money is not the reason you buy a foreign car. If you want a cheap-ass car, you buy something like a Chevy Spark or Ford Fiesta. (Worse, those cars might be made in Mexico anyway. I'm guessing the cheapest American-made car is probably a Honda Fit or some Toyota maybe.)

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Post by micahbright »

yolesaber wrote: post #644
micahbright wrote: post #103

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>Trump has been sued several times for the discrimination against black people That may say more about black people than it says about Trump. Call me a racist - I dare you.

You're a racist. Read the facts: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-h...

nytimes - opinion discarded

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by micahbright »

commenting wrote: post #232
micahbright wrote: post #103

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>Trump has been sued several times for the discrimination against black people That may say more about black people than it says about Trump. Call me a racist - I dare you.

Yes, you're a racist because you extrapolated your interpretation of the behaviour of a handful of people (i.e. those who sued Trump and are black) to an entire race.

I did no such thing. I extrapolated his undetailed version of events. It goes both ways, you can say that means "black people" are in the right, or you can say Donald Trump is in the right because there are no facts to support either side.
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