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Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by lordnacho »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Jobs that can't be exported are safe from movement. Hairdressing and cleaning for instance. That doesn't mean the person doing it can't be an immigrant, though, so perhaps by restricting immigration you reduce competition for it.

Jobs that compete with similar jobs in other countries can potentially benefit from trade barriers. Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. Long term it's worth thinking about whether there's a dependency created on that tariff.

Higher minimum wage has been mentioned. In so far as demand from the firms is inelastic you improve the lot of the minimum wage workers. Question is whether it is. Moving from 7 to 12 sounds like a big jump, and will be very dependent on what part of the country it is.

All these things depend on econometric measurement whose results I haven't come across.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by muad »

dang wrote: post #2

We buried the previous thread on this because, at almost 2000 comments, it was pegging the server. If you'd like to read it, and don't intend to comment, you could help your fellow users by logging out first, so we can serve you the page from cache: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 . If you do intend to comment, please take extra care to do so civilly and substantively, in the spirit of this site. Most p…

Time to upgrade HN?

That is hardly the first thread to experience performance issues.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by _fizz_buzz_ »

koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

> That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country

Is not winning the popular vote really a strong mandate? http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/09/501393501/...

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by programmarchy »

ynniv wrote: post #59
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Historically speaking, war is very effective at reducing unemployment. I'm not advocating it, but others will soon.

So is breaking windows.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by micahbright »

dopamean wrote: post #44
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

This is the crux of why Trump's pandering to them was total bullshit. He can't do anything to help them because the jobs that left aren't coming back. In four years they will be in the same position they are now but they wont have a black man or a Democrat to blame for it and so they wont be quite as bitter about it.

It didn't help that while he was "bullshitting", Hillary was calling them deplorable. Empathy for the win.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by dang »

muad wrote: post #82
dang wrote: post #2

We buried the previous thread on this because, at almost 2000 comments, it was pegging the server. If you'd like to read it, and don't intend to comment, you could help your fellow users by logging out first, so we can serve you the page from cache: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 . If you do intend to comment, please take extra care to do so civilly and substantively, in the spirit of this site. Most p…

Time to upgrade HN? That is hardly the first thread to experience performance issues.

That's not what we mostly hear from people, but yes we have some plans up our sleeve.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by ap22213 »

I'll probably stop working for a while. I really don't want to support these creepy people in small town and rural america. They should no longer get my tax money to prop up their almost non-existent economies, and they certainly shouldn't enjoy a 1st world lifestyle on my back. No more 60-hour weeks for me. I'm retiring.

I hope other follow. Maybe they'll finally get off their couch, turn off breitbart, and actually do something positive and productive with their lives.

Addendum:

To the down-voters: I thought part of this 'movement' was to get rid of political correctness. So, please let me take advantage of my new found right to say what I really think - what many people have been secretly thinking but have been too polite to actually say. Let's put it all out on the table. Wasn't that one of the big motivations to begin with?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by _audakel »

jhanschoo wrote: post #66
dopamean wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the crux of why Trump's pandering to them was total bullshit. He can't do anything to help them because the jobs that left aren't coming back. In four years they will be in the same position they are now but they wont have a black man or a Democrat to blame for it and so they wont be quite as bitter about it.

Considering that so many of Trump's promises are infeasible, I'm wondering what Trump will actually do in office.

Maybe he will more or less admit that alot of it was just theatrics, and he will go on to be a sane[ish] human being and normal[ish] POTUS

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by qntty »

yomly wrote: post #46
qntty wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diversity means including people in out-groups at the risk of alienating people in the in-group

But one of the main "in-groups" of the Trump supporter base were the working class. In its current form "diversity" is nothing more than a weapon for classism. We are completely fine understanding root causes and bias which may underlie racial or gender based observations, but conveniently turn a blind eye to well-studied drivers for phenomena like nativism. A lot of the current form of diversity against the disenfra…

It's acceptable (if short-sighted) to exclude people for being racist. It's not acceptable to exclude people for being poor and uneducated. The Democrats messed up by ignoring the pain of poor people, not by being insufficiently tolerant of racism.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

moultano wrote: post #38
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Dramatically increase the amount of housing in urban areas so more people can move there and away from the places without any industry left.

That is only going to help more wealthy people move to the cities and take more housing on their own firstly, especially because they will be advertising "new" apartments and thus ask for higher price points. There isn't a very large city without some kind of housing shortage right now. Hacker news seems predominantly upper-class but many articles complain about housing in SF/SV. It seems to me that if housing was reduced, it would just be more upperclass moving to SF/SV instead of the lowerclass. So I don't see how more housing would ultimately fix the issue. Maybe it would help, but fix?
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