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Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by djrogers »

berdario wrote: post #423
oldmanjay wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's Nate Silver today trying to explain trump: > America hasn’t put its demons — including racism, anti-Semitism and misogyny — behind it. White people still make up the vast majority of the electorate, particularly when considering their share of the Electoral College, and their votes usually determine the winner. By intentionally continuing to attempt to associate support for trump with a litany of unacceptable…

So you're saying that it's perfectly normal for a non-racist person to support a candidate who openly argued for deporting huge swaths of honest workers and enforce by law racial and religious discrimination?

Unless we manage to create a parallel universe where the 11-15 million illegal immigrants are Canadian instead of Mexican, to test against, I don't think you can definitively state that support for enforcement of immigration law constitutes racism.

I don't think a person who's construction job was taken away by an under-the-table worker really cares what color the other person's skin is, the milk and bread he can't afford now leaves the same hole in his pantry.

Same thing for software development offshoring - is it racist for those out-of-work Disney engineers to want their jobs back?

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by djrogers »

berdario wrote: post #423
oldmanjay wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's Nate Silver today trying to explain trump: > America hasn’t put its demons — including racism, anti-Semitism and misogyny — behind it. White people still make up the vast majority of the electorate, particularly when considering their share of the Electoral College, and their votes usually determine the winner. By intentionally continuing to attempt to associate support for trump with a litany of unacceptable…

So you're saying that it's perfectly normal for a non-racist person to support a candidate who openly argued for deporting huge swaths of honest workers and enforce by law racial and religious discrimination?

Unless we manage to create a parallel universe where the 11-15 million illegal immigrants are Canadian instead of Mexican, to test against, I don't think you can definitively state that support for enforcement of immigration law constitutes racism.

I don't think a person who's construction job was taken away by an under-the-table worker really cares what color the other person's skin is, the milk and bread he can't afford now leaves the same hole in his pantry.

Same thing for software development offshoring - is it racist for those out-of-work Disney engineers to want their jobs back?

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by pitaj »

tehabe wrote: post #599

I'm confused about this regulation thing. Many people hate regulations because they think of it as limiting for businesses. But I think, you couldn't work as a business if there were no regulations. An example, Nevada voted to open its electricity market this week. Everybody should be able to choose the provider they want. But to do this, there need to be regulations in place. Independent companies need to know how t…

> If you let such a market without any regulation, there won't be a market, because the grid owner won't let anyone use its grid.

What?

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by potatosoup »

inostia wrote: post #641
grzm wrote: post #555

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I agree that there was noise regarding Trump not having a clear plan. That said, - Did you check out either candidate's websites? - Were you aware of Hillary's equivalent?[0] Was this reported in the news sites you frequent? [0]: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/ I'm asking the questions honestly. I did know of Trump's contract (though I don't remember how I came across it), and didn't look at the Clinton campai…

I did look at both candidate's websites. Though a link to this .pdf was not easy to find. This is exactly the sort of thing that I expect the media to link me to, rather than an (after-the-fact) HN post. I read news websites every single day and never saw anything close to the clarity of his positions presented here.

NYT, for one, often reiterated that Trump has no policy proposals despite many of these (e.g. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies) being out for awhile.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by elemenopy »

mrschwabe wrote: post #602
inostia wrote: post #549

How did I not see this before the election (even if it came out 102316 as evidenced in the file name)? Why did NYT/Guardian/all of the news sites that I regularly visit not report this? This is a clear policy proposal, contrary to everything I had read that said he had no clear plan.

Bookmark some more news sites so you get a wider spectrum. Smaller independent operations (ex: Breitbart, Drudge Report) are less vulnerable to being co-opted or politically motivated. Also, r/The_Donald is has been an excellent aggregate for all things related to the campaign. Also, see Wikileaks to get an idea of how bad the bias/corruption has been in the media (ex: CNN giving HRC questions in advance of debates […

You cite Breitbart as an example of a website that is "less vulnerable to being co-opted or politically motivated."

How is that even remotely accurate, considering the Chairman of Breitbart, Steve Bannon, is Trump's campaign chairman?

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by SilasX »

randiantech wrote: post #727
noobermin wrote: post #113

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There's a lot of room to wonder about his trustworthiness given his record as a businessman, but even in this document, he doesn't address campaign finance reform. Congressional term-limits just consolidate power in the moneyed elites--the problems is not just the politicians, it's who corrupted them. If anything, this is a document to passify those moneyed interests who, unlike say Sheldon Adelson, worry about a Tru…

Funny, that "if one created, two removed" was a law imposed by a Principal Software Architect to me and my team regarding apps and apis as part of a rationalization program. "If you create this new API, make sure to remove at least two". I have to say, after two years there, that helped a lot to reduce redundancy and complexity. But well, apps and api are not the same of public policies... who knows.

But "aim for simplicity" is a good enough rule by itself, which isn't further enhanced by some "2 for 1" heuristic.

On top of that, "regulation count" is not a natural category, since one regulation can specify an arbitrary number of things. If you replace A) No smoking and B) no littering with C) No smoking or littering, have you changed anything substantive? You have not.

Regulation complexity, of course, is a natural category, but it's hard to measure before the fact and doesn't lend itself to easily-applied "follow for a guaranteed reduction" rules.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by grzm »

davesque wrote: post #770
grzm wrote: post #689

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A significant percentage of voters in the US came to that conclusion, given the choices they had. I think it's likely pretty easy to find one of them to ask, if you're willing to listen.

Not the majority, though.

No candidate received a majority. Clinton (last I checked) is on pace to win a plurality of the popular vote — and that by a pretty slim margin. But that's beside the point. None of this justifies dismissing or insulting or generalizing the opinions of nearly half of the voting population. It's just not constructive. Like it or not, you live in a society with other people. We need to be able to live and work with each other.

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Post by [deleted] »

zardo wrote: post #559
ninjakeyboard wrote: post #84

Leave nafta? There doesn't seem to be a very thorough analysis on the effect of this.... You can't just make changes to economic policy and hope for the best - there are far and wide impacts to making changes like this.

>You can't just make changes to economic policy and hope for the best Obviously you can, you mean shouldn't. I'm sure wisdom will prevail.

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Post by Mathnerd314 »

zaphods-towel wrote: post #654
finid wrote: post #583

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A reasonable term limit has to be in place. A person who has been in the Senate since 1986, like John McCain, should have been out of there if term limits were in place. Thirty years is a long time to be elected, re-elected and re-elected and ...

I don't see what the problem is with that? The term limits on the president are in place because he has such an inordinate amount of power. I am concerned about a president trying to seize non-democratic power. Not so for a Senator. Can you explain more about why you think reps need term limits?

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/charlie-daniels/charlie-da...

Basically, without term limits, politics turns into a game of power plays and re-election campaigns, instead of actually representing the constituents.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by orblivion »

randiantech wrote: post #727
noobermin wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot of room to wonder about his trustworthiness given his record as a businessman, but even in this document, he doesn't address campaign finance reform. Congressional term-limits just consolidate power in the moneyed elites--the problems is not just the politicians, it's who corrupted them. If anything, this is a document to passify those moneyed interests who, unlike say Sheldon Adelson, worry about a Tru…

Funny, that "if one created, two removed" was a law imposed by a Principal Software Architect to me and my team regarding apps and apis as part of a rationalization program. "If you create this new API, make sure to remove at least two". I have to say, after two years there, that helped a lot to reduce redundancy and complexity. But well, apps and api are not the same of public policies... who knows.

I don't get it, doesn't that mean that eventually you have to have tend toward zero api endpoints?
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