Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] • Hacker News Board

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by deadringerr » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 5:28 AM UTC

busyant wrote: post #371

cyberferret wrote: post #75

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And what are the repercussions if he does NOT achieve all these within the first 100 days? Will he step down? Come up with yet another plan? Contracts usually stipulate this as well. [Edit: And the downvote brigade strikes - for merely asking a genuine question. I guess this is an indication of the sort of thing that we can expect 'top down' from now on... Stay silent, never question, just obey the mandates... sigh]…

> And what are the repercussions if he does NOT achieve all these within the first 100 days? He will claim that he did indeed achieve them despite all evidence to the contrary. If you manage to corner him on the argument, he will blame you for the failure. * edit. Not sure what the downvote is for. Trump has used both tactics outlined above. He was always against the Iraq war despite evidence to the contrary. When he…

This is probably my biggest frustration with Trump. Based on his campaign, I don't anticipate him being receptive to any form of accountability.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by Blackthorn » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 5:31 AM UTC

Lest anyone forgets, term limits will never happen. Mitch McConnell is 100% against it and, guess what, it has to get through him to happen.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by nameisu » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 5:32 AM UTC

if these are really his views then I would be happy if he can achieve 50% of this. I understand why big people fought against him now.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by ethbro » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 5:32 AM UTC

maxxxxx wrote: post #752

randiantech wrote: post #727

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Funny, that "if one created, two removed" was a law imposed by a Principal Software Architect to me and my team regarding apps and apis as part of a rationalization program. "If you create this new API, make sure to remove at least two". I have to say, after two years there, that helped a lot to reduce redundancy and complexity. But well, apps and api are not the same of public policies... who knows.

At some point you have to stop cutting. You can't go thus forever.

"If this rule needs to be broken, then bring me a proposal for why" is a good addition. The idea should be to swap the default to less-complexity rather than more-complexity. If more is less, then it should be possible to write a succinct justification for it.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by yolesaber » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 5:34 AM UTC

nightski wrote: post #364

yolesaber wrote: post #209

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>High brow smack (condescension) like that and "basket of deplorables" are what America revolted against. Actually, the majority of Americans agreed with Hillary Clinton. She won the popular vote by over a million votes. We just use an outdated system built to appease slaveholders that does not necessarily represent the bulk will of the people. Trump won on a technicality of our (antiquated and frankly awful) system,…

Every source I can find has her winning by around 200k. When you are talking about 120M votes that is rather insignificant.

Earlier projections I saw said a million, but you are right thanks.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by JosephHatfield » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 5:35 AM UTC

josho wrote: post #391

noobermin wrote: post #113

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There's a lot of room to wonder about his trustworthiness given his record as a businessman, but even in this document, he doesn't address campaign finance reform. Congressional term-limits just consolidate power in the moneyed elites--the problems is not just the politicians, it's who corrupted them. If anything, this is a document to passify those moneyed interests who, unlike say Sheldon Adelson, worry about a Tru…

Trump railed against the system that allowed politicians to be bought. It turns out his solution is to term limit congress. Sounds like treating a symptom not the root cause.

I don't see how elections themselves aren't term limits. You want to end someone's reign, vote them out. Am I missing something?

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by davesque » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 5:38 AM UTC

pmorici wrote: post #628

xenadu02 wrote: post #586

Just so everyone is aware: selling insurance across state lines is code for "gut all insurance regulations". Why did most credit card banks relocate their paper headquarters to SD? Because SD had no usury laws and federal law said laws of your headquarters was all that mattered. It gutted all state regulation of credit cards in one fell swoop. This is the same approach DJT and the Republicans want to take for health…

Is the current system working? My insurance rate has gone from $66 per month for a HDHP to $277 per month 3 years later under the healthcare law for the essentially the same HDHP plan. At that rate of increase I wouldn't be able to afford it at all any more in a few short years so what does it matter?

That's because the system you're now paying into is saving the lives of people who would have had no healthcare otherwise. Like it or not, you live in a society with other people. If you want your society to be fair and just, you have to make some sacrifices.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by kgwgk » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 5:40 AM UTC

malz wrote: post #707

albinofrenchy wrote: post #215

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> why did they allow the president to run up more national debt than all presidents prior...combined This isn't true even on the face of it; it went up from ~10 trillion to ~18 trillion. And aside from that; the national debt exploded due to the economic collapse that happened months before Obama was sworn in. The accusation is wrong on the facts and disingenuous.

And the debt was increased by actions like bailing out the auto industry, saving 800,000 jobs. All those workers then voted for Trump.

That costed less than $10 billion in the end... you have several additional trillions to account for.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by hibikir » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 5:40 AM UTC

pmorici wrote: post #628

xenadu02 wrote: post #586

Just so everyone is aware: selling insurance across state lines is code for "gut all insurance regulations". Why did most credit card banks relocate their paper headquarters to SD? Because SD had no usury laws and federal law said laws of your headquarters was all that mattered. It gutted all state regulation of credit cards in one fell swoop. This is the same approach DJT and the Republicans want to take for health…

Is the current system working? My insurance rate has gone from $66 per month for a HDHP to $277 per month 3 years later under the healthcare law for the essentially the same HDHP plan. At that rate of increase I wouldn't be able to afford it at all any more in a few short years so what does it matter?

It isn't, but that doesn't mean that any random change will fix it. Your argument is then as follows:

1-We must do something 2-{This} is something 3-Therefore, me must do {This}

You won't find many of us arguing against the first assertion, but I don't think real numbers say that it's insurance regulation that made the prices go up: It's the fact that the risk pools are full of very sick people. While deregulation would separate the sick from the non sick, it would make sure the sick would not be able to afford insurance at all.

The ACA is working great for people that make so little they get subsidies. It's also not a problem for those of use that work at places that compensate us with well over a thousand a month worth insurance. It's the people in the middle that are in trouble: They either access the ACA unsubsidized, or work for employers that hire a lot of low paid labor, leading to godawful health insurance. I worked at places where the insurance we got was so flimsy, the ACA made it illegal: Huge deductibles, coinsurance along with lifetime maximums that made sure that if you got something bad, insurance would cut you off.

Health insurance in this country has been in an awful trend since at least the Clinton years. the ACA only helped some. We don't need a repeal, but something that subsidizes you too. Health savings accounts and insurance across state lines ain't going to help, but it's going to give us sicker people that just have access to the emergency room and go bankrupt, like in the last of the Bush years.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by davesque » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 5:41 AM UTC

grzm wrote: post #689

chenster wrote: post #683

WTF, America? How could anyone trust an alleged narcissist, extremist, sexist, racist, self-righteous and nationalist who paid nothing in income tax for the last 20 years to do what he says?

A significant percentage of voters in the US came to that conclusion, given the choices they had. I think it's likely pretty easy to find one of them to ask, if you're willing to listen.

Not the majority, though.