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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by deadringerr »

MattyRad wrote: post #652
deadringerr wrote: post #453

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I like your points, I do think this is a big piece of the picture. I almost wish the polls let you vote either "for" a candidate or directly "against" a particular candidate - I think we'd see that many of the Trump voters would have preferred to vote "against" Clinton rather than "for" Trump.

Stein suggested an interesting solution to this problem: https://youtu.be/py6sPkiQm8E?t=2m45s . Food for thought.

Yes, this is interesting. I'd like to see some version of this (or range voting as referred to in another comment) implemented in a state and the reactions of the population - if voters felt like this more properly reflected their opinion.

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Post by pmarreck »

ryanx435 wrote: post #780
pmarreck wrote: post #745

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> People are not equal. And yet, the right would have you believe that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge (RIP Asimov). Because you are just an elitist educated librul, and how can you even breathe the thought that you're better than me in any way, shape, or form, especially when it comes to making important decisions that demand critical evaluation of a lot of evidence? I have a family and mouths to feed…

Its ignorant for you to assume that people on the right are ignorant and honestly the attitude of people like you were one of the driving forces of me supporting and voting for trump. Here I am, working as a software engineer, with a BS in computer science, fluent in multiple languages, able to criticaly evaluate evidence in order to make decisions, and just as educated as you are, and you automatically assume that j…

Yeah, that was a little condescending of an example.

I think I made my point much better here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12915513

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by TYPE_FASTER »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

https://backchannel.com/canary-in-the-code-mine-903884eca853...

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by tcoppi »

akiselev wrote: post #920
tcoppi wrote: post #723

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I'm so sorry. Maybe you can use your unique perspective to shine a light on how backwards Trump's support of Putin and Putinesque policies is.

It's not just backwards, it is an existential threat to the United States and the rest of the developed world. We are at a critical time when Russia is only getting bolder and bolder, despite economic hardships and sanctions, and we need to once again provide balance against their power. Unfortunately, the entire military industrial complex was rapidly retooled in the 90s and the defense/intelligence apparatus lost a…

I don't quite share your bleak assessment of the US IC's ability as far as Russia goes, but otherwise spot on. And it doesn't matter anyway if you don't trust any of your advisors or intelligence reporting.

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Post by thefalcon »

revelation wrote: post #526
croon wrote: post #335

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> In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. Well that's blatantly false. That was Trump's entire campaign. All I've heard all year was "Benghazi", "emails" and "crooked", all of which were just rephrasing of the same thing, repeated in perpetuum. It most definitely worked.

You're in a bubble. No worries, we all are, I think New York Times had that "Clinton win probability" meter at >90% for many many months. It slipped to >80% or so on election day. I've come to realize that all their statistics foo is just peddled propaganda in opaque packaging. Utterly worthless.

Yeah, I had a lot of faith in that opaque package (more specifically 538's than the NYT, and at least he was "only" giving Clinton a 73% chance) and I'm left wondering why. Even if Nate's model was right and we just landed in the 27% side of things... what good would faith in the model do me in the end?

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Post by mitochondrion »

achompas wrote: post #823
mitochondrion wrote: post #703

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Immigration isn't a fake issue. Take a walk around Miami or San Diego. Or New York. Or London. Or Paris. Or Malmö. Gay marriage is just the final nail in the coffin of marriage, which was already basically dead. It's a mind-bogglingly stupid hill to die on, but nobody ever accused conservatives of brilliance. Obamacare is a disaster because it enables still more people to suck still more dollars out of the system tha…

> Immigration isn't a fake issue. Take a walk around Miami or San Diego. Or New York. Or London. Or Paris. Or Malmö. I'm the son of Cuban immigrants, born in Miami, living in New York, and have walked Paris many times. I don't understand your claim. Are you suggesting immigration is an issue because these places are diverse? Or have you somehow tapped into swaths of illegal immigrants in these areas that I've never s…

If Paris is not inhabited entirely by Parisians, it is a problem.

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Post by duderific »

forgetsusername wrote: post #339
pikzen wrote: post #249

As an outsider...what the hell did you guys just do? There are many, many reasons for Trump's election. Maybe it's time to rethink a bit about how you guys do politics?[0] Distrust of the establishment (of which HRC was the perfect embodiment). Jobs which have disappeared forever which were promised to be brought back. And as software developers for a lot of us here, maybe it is time to get more of us to think about…

> Distrust of the establishment (of which HRC was the perfect embodiment) This is what is so amazing to me: there was a massive surge in anti-establishment sentiment, from Sanders on the left to Trump on the right. It was unparalleled in my lifetime. Yet the DNC decided to run a candidate who is basically the epitome of Washington establishment? It's embarrassing.

But, the DNC is the establishment, so why would they do anything other than run an establishment candidate? And how much power does the DNC actually have over which candidate is run? That is decided in the primaries (see: RNC's control over which candidate was nominated).

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Post by Nerdoid »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

This is going to rapidly become an image problem for the Bay Area and the tech industry as workers in other places and industries become obsolete. So it may well be in our own best interest to take the initiative.

Is it possible for the tech world to seize the issue of worker retraining and a general safety net like it did with net neutrality? Brand and promote the hell out of it? I don't think the existing strategy of trying to fly under the radar will work for long.

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Post by [deleted] »

micaksica wrote: post #246
stefs wrote: post #204

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reddit user TPKM's comment on the sanders-would-have-won-thread: "Support for Trump, much like Brexit, was based upon an extremely widespread feeling that average people are not getting their fair share of the benefits of globalisation. This is neither a specifically Democrat or Republican problem, and people have been saying it one way or another for years. It was also the foundation of Sanders' campaign. The differ…

> curbing immigration is an actual solution to the problem. Curbing immigration won't be a solution to the problem; it's just a highly visible one. Each immigrant that is looking for a job in the US is taking one away from the supply for an American. That is how the Trumpistas see things. Economically, sure, that's true. The immigrants take jobs from the labor supply. What people don't see is that aside from ones on…

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Post by IMcD23 »

ones_and_zeros wrote: post #825
blahi wrote: post #178

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The only factory people who voted for Trump are the ones who code in Matlab. http://i.imgur.com/RAaGDnW.jpg

I don't get it?

A very flawed argument above. I assume it's to mean that since Clinton won a majority of votes from lower income people, which factory workers would fall under, the only factory workers that voted for Trump are high-paid ones, which would code in MATLAB.
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