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My takeaway from this is that our strategy of "shaming" people into voting a certain way doesn't work. Exit polls seem to suggest that plenty of people understated their support for Trump because they were embarrassed to admit they voted for him. But they still did. In effect, you don't stop people from supporting racism, homophobia, or misogyny by calling attention to it. That only makes them support it quietly. You…

>they were racist, sexist, or Islamophobic This is a big issue here, and something that I don't feel that many democrats seem to understand. It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs. It isn't sexist to acknowledge differences in the genders. It isn't islamophobic to see cultural issues with Islam that would cause integration issues, especially with a l…

>It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs.

I'm curious, what jobs have they taken away? This was my father in laws biggest beef next to terrorism. He has been retired for close to a decade and although he is not the 1%, he is for sure in the 2-3%.

I asked him if he was thinking about taking a job at the local car wash or visiting Syria, Afghanistan, or Iraq soon?

I haven't seen a white guy cut my grass or dry my car or roof my house or lay brick or stone in at least 25 years. I actually tried to help the Mexican roofers by carrying a bundle of shingle up the ladder and almost had my wife call 911.

Is there illegal immigrants working as doctors, dentists, data scientists, engineers, nurses, financial professionals, police, fireman, teachers, computer programmers, IT Specialists, etc?

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You can stop incentivising off-shoring of jobs - it's too easy for companies to close down profitable activities and move them abroad to make more profit If you drive out of any city in US or EU you'll see the devastation that has caused

How can you stop incentivising automation of jobs?

Make robots pay taxes!

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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random thoughts

tech: the kinds of tech challenges we'll be facing in the next 8 years are extraordinary - cyberwarfare, advanced AI, self-driving cars, brittle state of internet/device security, designer babies via genetic engineering. i'm worried about the general lack of competency of the exec branch in navigating through them.

thanks to the past 16 years, surveillance state powers are far beyond any in history.

the supreme court had some good decisions re privacy in the last few years, wouldn't count on that moving forward b/c scalia was pretty reasonable.

goodwill from silicon valley will drop off precipitously. revolving door from google, Facebook to government will stop (pros and cons there, but mostly cons)

election stuff: during this election there's been a flare up in racial tensions, a safe space for the alt-right, etc

but HRC lost states Obama won -- the disparity was huge between elections.

so, yes racism played a role (and set up the worst Republican candidate winning the thing), but in the general election it was only one of many many factors, and maybe more of a side effect rather than a cause of the result.

DNC will probably be scared about pitching husband/wife combos or dynasties moving forward, minor knocks against Chelsea, Michelle Elizabeth Warren has a strong path moving forward.

silver lining to all of this is the Democratic party has a chance to reform itself. demographic trends are favoring Democrats in future elections

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>they were racist, sexist, or Islamophobic This is a big issue here, and something that I don't feel that many democrats seem to understand. It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs. It isn't sexist to acknowledge differences in the genders. It isn't islamophobic to see cultural issues with Islam that would cause integration issues, especially with a l…

> It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs. How come a con man who employees illegal immigrants at his construction projects and manufactures his own products in China & Bangladesh is the solution for it?

You can dislike a game, yet understand it enough to win. The same goes with our economy.

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Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Socialism. Neoliberal capitalism isn't work. Why not take the wealth from the very wealthy and give it to those who don't have it? Income and wealth redistribution>

What a poorly thought-out out and even sophomoric thing to post.

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Predictions: - @POTUS twitter account is going to start tweeting at 3AM - I think illegal immigration enforcement could see the most drastic and immediate change. To my knowledge the status quo is not legislated in any way, and was created by preventing enforcement rather than any legal means. When low-skill unemployment bottoms out the motivation will start to weaken. - whatever was done by Obama by executive order,…

They have literally announced they're going to try to undo Roe v. Wade and repeal all LGTBQ protections they can. Like, that literally already happened. So I think we're already past the "[won't] enact or seek to promote any racist or sexist policies". I suspect that's because Trump has effectively delegated the entire office of President to Pence.

Here is a document from the Trump campaign about his short term goals, I hadn't read it yet when I posted above but I think most of my points survive: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102...

No mention of ending abortion. I agree that it would be sexist and catastrophic if it happens, especially given the state of american health insurance coverage.

EDIT: from this document it looks like he plans to target undocumented immigrants who have a criminal record -- the process will probably be very disruptive, I think this is the single policy of Trump that could cause the most human misery, but it seems possible that the process could give the others a more secure status.

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My entire family feels a terrible sadness today. We immigrated here to the United States from Russia almost 20 years ago (to the day) and after all the immigration bullshit we were finally eligible for citizenship this year. My dad took his oath and got his US passport literally weeks before the election and this is what he gets for his first vote: a divisive demagogue beat a corrupt career politician. There are no w…

Destroying the Electoral College would be one more step in destroying the federal nature of the Unites States. Perhaps you think that's a good thing, but I think it's a terrible idea: I think that we should be more , not less , federal. What works for the people of Massachusetts is not what works for the people of California, or the people of Wyoming. I'd like to see state legislatures selecting electors again. Also,…

> Destroying the Electoral College would be one more step in destroying the federal nature of the Unites States. Perhaps you think that's a good thing, but I think it's a terrible idea: I think that we should be more, not less, federal. What works for the people of Massachusetts is not what works for the people of California, or the people of Wyoming.

The electoral college is a net-negative contribution to the federal nature of the US because it allows a tiny, extremely unrepresentative minority to decide for the whole country while eroding the legitimacy of the executive branch, a legitimacy that is a key component of our system. Californians deciding policy for MA or WY due to sheer size is bad but that's how democracies and republics are supposed to work. A single precinct deciding for the entire nation is a perversion of the process that does nothing but destroy faith in our electoral process.

Besides, the executive branch is largely irrelevant to American federalism. We can eliminate the top layer of the executive branch today and the US government would still be as federal as ever because that's how our state and national legislatures are structured. The president has little power over the day to day of the average citizen and all of the hierarchies that do have that power are headed by people confirmed by the Senate.

> Also, the Constitution states, 'No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.' Has Congress consented to this interstate compact?

This issue is actively being debated by constitutional scholars precisely because of the popular vote compact. The general consensus is that Congressional consent is needed only if the interstate agreement is "directed to the formation of any combination tending to the increase of political power in the States, which may encroach upon or interfere with the just supremacy of the United States" (emphasis mine), which was a precedent set by the Supreme Court in the early 1800s. That last part means that Congressional approval is only necessary if the agreement threatens the superiority of the federal government. Furthermore, a state's right to choose how its electoral votes are allocated is a right enumerated in the Constitution and the only power Congress has is to set how many electoral votes each state gets.

All of that is irrelevant anyway because there is no actual treaty or official agreement due to how the legislation is structured. Every state that has joined the compact has legislation to the effect of "All of the electoral votes for this state will go to the winner of the national popular vote if and only if similar legislation is active in enough states to tie 270 or more electoral votes to the national popular vote." No one from the federal government can stop them from doing this.

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What are the milestones and key metrics for the "direction that has been chosen"? In four years, if the rural mine workers are still out of work and iPads are still made in China, will you concede that the experiment failed? I can't see Trump doing that. Deflecting blame has been a theme of his career. Therefore I'm frightened that he's going to need new scapegoats for his lack of achievements pretty soon... And cons…

> In four years, if the rural mine workers are still out of work and iPads are still made in China, will you concede that the experiment failed? That's like saying that because people still have to pay for insurance in the US that Obamacare failed and he's a failed President and should feel bad about himself.

Obamacare failed and he's a failed President and should feel bad about himself

Isn't that exactly what Republicans were saying? Trump wants to repeal Obamacare first and then replace it with something "much better, believe me".

In good and bad, ACA was a big part of Obama's legacy. What are the yardsticks that should be applied to the Trump presidency?

How many coal mines will be back in business and turning a profit? By what date will Apple be forced to bring back manufacturing into USA? When will American airports and roads become the best in the world?

Those are a few of his most clearly defined goals, like healthcare reform was Obama's.

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Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

This was posted separately, but flagged for some reason. It talks about what Trump will do first 100 days in office.

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU- 102316-Contractv02.pdf

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