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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by jkubicek » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:59 PM UTC

user837387 wrote: post #55

He got elected on all these promises. 1- Build the wall and make Mexico pay for it 2- Deportation Force on day one 3- Repeal obamacare 4- Renegotiate NAFTA 5- Bring back coal 6- Reduce taxes for the rich 7- Ban muslims 8- Prosecuting Hillary Clinton 9- Bring back American companies to the USA 10- Etc. The Senate and the House are Republicans and the Supreme court will lean republican after his appointment. What do yo…

I'm not all that worried about Trump enacting any of his specific policies. I am worried about Trump legitimizing sexual assault and violence towards POC and Muslims. White men are going to get through the next four years just fine, women and minorities will very likely not.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by buckbova » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:59 PM UTC

jernfrost wrote: post #258

koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

Don't think that is possible. If I was a democrat today I'd do like the Republicans have been doing the last 8 years and do my outmost to make the Trump Presidency be a major failure. The way the republicans have played this game is so dirty, that you can't expect people to forgive. We can not reward such a divisive character like Donald Trump with his racism, xenophobia, mysogny, insults and bullying with a successf…

> It is sad to say, but for the long term benefit of America it is probably better if it gets run to the ground over these four years. Then America will be spared for such leaders in the future.

I heard this EXACT phrase said about Obama 8 years ago! We always get what we deserve. Hope, change, make america great again.

> If I was a democrat today I'd do like the Republicans have been doing the last 8 years and do my outmost to make the Trump Presidency be a major failure.

Good luck with that. GOP now has majorities and will probably pick up more in 2018. So be it.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by unabst » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:59 PM UTC

The impeccable insight of Peter Thiel.

http://gizmodo.com/peter-thiel-goes-all-in-for-donald-trump-...

I didn't realize how "simplified" his convention speech was until I saw this. In hindsight (of about a week), now he sounds text book.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by mikeash » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:59 PM UTC

DavajDavaj wrote: post #95

I think the election of Trump is also a backslash against the PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning, micro aggression tendencies that have been spreading in the U.S. for the last couple of years. This has become too much and millions of Americans are fed up with it, they have now spoken out.

Which is ironic since Trump's supporters are the most PC, safe-space, triggered people I've seen. Clinton called some of them "deplorables" and there was such hue and cry. Point out that it's racist to criticize a judge based on his ancestry, or to propose banning immigrants based on their religion, and they got so tremendously offended.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by jbkrule » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:59 PM UTC

huac wrote: post #109

I have a lot of thoughts, but here's one: Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. It's undoubtably true now that there was a very real populist anger towards the existing political order, and…

I disagree with you entirely on your first point. Trump's entire campaign was based on hate and that's why he won. It was all about building the base of people who hate the other side more.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by chriskanan » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:59 PM UTC

jernfrost wrote: post #144

Sigh, the only think positive I can imagine coming out of this is that now, I get four years I can make fun of how stupid American's are. As the country descends into chaos and non of Trump's promises comes truth I can sit in my couch and keep repeating: "I told you so!" Good thing Republican's get all the power. Now they fully own all the shit that is to come. They wont be able to blame that on anybody else. I think…

>> I think Brexit and the Trump victory has hammered home that democracy in its current form doesn't work. It has no mechanism to protect itself against stupidity and ignorance.

This is one of the main reasons why the founders of the US constitution feared direct democracy, and only gave the populous the ability to directly elect House members that serve only two year-terms. We now have something closer to a direct democracy, with the electoral college as an artifact.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by kogepathic » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:59 PM UTC

neves wrote: post #320

jernfrost wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. I grew up in a rustbelt like industrial town in Norway. We has shipyards, glass factory, paper mill, textile industry, lock systems etc. Almost all of it got closed down and moved overseas as I grew up…

You can't compare Norway, a high educated small country full of petromoney with the rest of the world. The recipe can't be reproduced.

> The recipe can't be reproduced.

Yes it can. According to Wikipedia, Sweden has lower economic inequality than Norway does. [0] And the percentage of income held by the poorest 10% is nearly the same across Nordic countries. [1]

I have quite a few friends from the Nordic countries (Norway, Sweden, Finland) and they are quick to tell you that things aren't perfect there, but I think you can say that government policies can create a more equal society even in countries without petromoney (e.g. Sweden).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_inequality

[1] http://www.viewsoftheworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Eu...

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by threatofrain » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:00 PM UTC

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

I think the only decent destiny left for the unskilled undemanded worker is one of welfare, but those same voters have vicious attitudes about welfare and those on welfare.

It's not reasonable to retrain this coincidental generation of unskilled undemanded workers, especially not when our nation still has a bad education resource problem. Pedagogical expenditure should go to those who are most likely to experience the largest impact, and that's children. Also because any training program you develop has to work and . Also because there are no fast and easy training programs that have high efficacy rates.

Trump and some laborers have talked about bringing manufacturing back to the US. But this is by far the most impossible demand. Tariffs on Mexico and China won't persuade a metaphorical Foxconn to bring a Shenzhen analogue to the US. Shenzhen works because China and the rest of the Chinese people are okay with Shenzhen style workers breaking their back for the rest of the nation, and China can quash any worker malcontent, union, or any collective action.

There's no way that people would be okay with that here.

And with all the companies of the world racing towards robotic labor and domain applied machine learning, the kinds of US manufacturing job growth here will be few, high paying, and highly technical. But these innovations will mean net fewer manufacturing jobs, even as manufacturing may go up.

And the fact that driving is one of the most frequent jobs in most states of the US, and with Uber having made an automated truck delivery of beer recently... there's no way that manufacturing jobs will keep pace with job loss.

These people are screwed without welfare, and after welfare, there's nothing else to be done for them.

They're a $100 barrel of oil in the ground that costs $105 to extract.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by elevensies » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:00 PM UTC

user837387 wrote: post #55

He got elected on all these promises. 1- Build the wall and make Mexico pay for it 2- Deportation Force on day one 3- Repeal obamacare 4- Renegotiate NAFTA 5- Bring back coal 6- Reduce taxes for the rich 7- Ban muslims 8- Prosecuting Hillary Clinton 9- Bring back American companies to the USA 10- Etc. The Senate and the House are Republicans and the Supreme court will lean republican after his appointment. What do yo…

Predictions:

- @POTUS twitter account is going to start tweeting at 3AM

- I think illegal immigration enforcement could see the most drastic and immediate change. To my knowledge the status quo is not legislated in any way, and was created by preventing enforcement rather than any legal means. When low-skill unemployment bottoms out the motivation will start to weaken.

- whatever was done by Obama by executive order, I presume will be quickly undone, they will probably have reams of documents ready to be signed on day 1.

- Hillary Clinton: in order to prosecute Trump will need to nominate a new Attorney General to the DOJ, and then ask the FBI to re-assess I guess? I don't think she will go to jail, in some countries when power changes the losers get jailed but it hasn't been the case in America, and I don't think high level politicians want it to become the case. For all practical purposes I think Clinton will continue to be above the law.

- The WALL ... boy I don't know. I will be fascinating to watch if he tries to do this. The only utility will be economic stimulus.

- Trade war: I think the American dollar will go to a lower level which will decrease imports and increase exports.

- Muslim ban: I think he will disallow visas from active conflict areas and nearby. I don't think i.e. Malaysia will be effected, or Indian muslims for example. Maybe countries that aren't functional enough to carry out a criminal background check will be disallowed.

EDIT:

Also, I don't think Trump+GOP will enact or seek to promote any racist or sexist policies, I don't think they will mount an attack on the recent marriage equality ruling. I think the following people will suffer financially:

- undocumented immigrants

- industries that depend on a close relationship with the government: the guard is changing -- if you had relationships with the Bushes and the Clintons, you've had access to the most powerful organization to ever exist in the world for the past 27 years, that may or may not continue.

This is if Trump lives all four years. All of the above doesn't apply to Pence, I think Pence could do some real damage.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by goatlover » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:00 PM UTC

jernfrost wrote: post #258

koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

Don't think that is possible. If I was a democrat today I'd do like the Republicans have been doing the last 8 years and do my outmost to make the Trump Presidency be a major failure. The way the republicans have played this game is so dirty, that you can't expect people to forgive. We can not reward such a divisive character like Donald Trump with his racism, xenophobia, mysogny, insults and bullying with a successf…

Won't this just devolve into a vicious circle, where the politically expedient thing to do is to utterly sabotage the other side, and teach the voters a less each election cycle?