Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Donald Trump Is Elected President

nytimes.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

801–810 of 1001 posts

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#801

Post by thomyorkie »

nickbauman wrote: post #760
thomyorkie wrote: post #681

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Terrorism: more toddlers killed Americans than terrorists in 2015. For every terrorist killing someone on US soil, more than 4000 Americans killed each other. Terrorism isn't a fake issue. You're ignoring the potential devastating effects that a successful terrorist attack on U.S. soil could have. Terrorists are always trying to up their game and its because of this that they represent a significant threat. Toddler…

Are you statistics challenged? Even an attack on the level of 9/11 will be significantly lower than the number of Americans that shoot each other to death per year. If you want to read about the likelihood of a nuclear attack by terrorists, read Physics for Future Presidents. It's very, very low.

No need to be condescending.

Can you tell me what the likelihood of a nuclear attack by terrorists will be in 10 years, 20 years? How about if Iran develops nuclear weapons? Do you think 9/11 will be the worst terrorist attack we will ever see? My whole point is terrorists, and those that support them, are becoming increasingly competent in nearly every vector of attack, nuclear being only one. And their destructive ambitions grow even faster than their competency. I simply don't see how anyone can call it a fake issue.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#802

Post by ryanx435 »

nerfhammer wrote: post #653
curiousgeorgio wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, Trump's views are likely to be more advantageous for tech startups than Clinton's would have been.

Tech startups are often composed of a majority of people born outside of the United States.

Trump has only ever been against ILLEGAL immigrants. If you come here legally through a visa program or other legal method, than you are fine. Its the border jumpers and people who overstay their legal welcome that he has always had the problem with.

I've read his books, watched his speeches, interacted with his supporters, and I've seen very little anti-foreigner sentiment. Its all anti-illegal-foreigner sentiment, which is fundamentally different.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#803

Post by devopsproject »

snowwrestler wrote: post #157
sndean wrote: post #23

I wonder how long this populist wave that's spreading over the west [0] is going to continue? [0] https://research.hks.harvard.edu/publications/getFile.aspx?I... [pdf]

Until the generation that is driving it dies off, so probably ~20 years. I'm being flippant, but--look at the vote splits by age. Young voters in the UK overwhelmingly voted against Brexit. Young voters in the U.S. overwhelmingly voted against Trump. The voice of populism today is the voice of economic and cultural disenfranchisement. It is difficult to re-employ millions of 60-year-old folks whose skills are out of…

> Young voters in the U.S. overwhelmingly voted against Trump

don't people get more conservative as they age?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#804

Post by brandnewlow »

BryantD wrote: post #495
Scirra_Tom wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump Until now I thought that wasn't a bad strategy against Trump as he had said and done so many repulsive things far far beyond what I would of thought the voting population would of tolerated. For example, "grabbing women by the p *y" I would of thought would have alienated the entire female voting population. For some reason, some women voters seeme…

Yeah, this is a lot of why I am rejecting the easy answers. John Edwards was one of the most populist Democratic candidates we've seen in a while, and his political career ended because he had an affair. I can't really blame anyone for thinking that Trump's sexual misadventures would be a serious weakness.

I think this analysis is incorrect. Edwards' affair was a problem because it told people he wasn't a trustworthy or professional guy. He brought his mistress along on the campaign trail. Meanwhile he depicted himself as a standup guy. It outed him as a phony with bad judgement.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#805

Post by lerpa »

ajross wrote: post #201
user837387 wrote: post #55

He got elected on all these promises. 1- Build the wall and make Mexico pay for it 2- Deportation Force on day one 3- Repeal obamacare 4- Renegotiate NAFTA 5- Bring back coal 6- Reduce taxes for the rich 7- Ban muslims 8- Prosecuting Hillary Clinton 9- Bring back American companies to the USA 10- Etc. The Senate and the House are Republicans and the Supreme court will lean republican after his appointment. What do yo…

In all honesty: almost none. He just wanted to be president. Most of his time will be spend enriching himself by selling banal access and bloviating on the world stage. That's pretty awful, but not apocalypse-level awful. Of your list: The wall is a technical impossibility that everyone can recognize. There's no funding for a deportation force and the political optics of goon squads rounding people up is something co…

Spot on. People have to realize promises have next to zero value, they would say anything in order to be elected.

You have to judge those people by their track record, actual actions, not just empty words... which leaves both with very poor credentials.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#807

Post by jimbokun »

jernfrost wrote: post #215
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. I grew up in a rustbelt like industrial town in Norway. We has shipyards, glass factory, paper mill, textile industry, lock systems etc. Almost all of it got closed down and moved overseas as I grew up…

"Our government offers free university education, so even less well off blue collar families could send their kids to good schools."

Here in the US, we actually have a decent Community College system which, while not free, tend to be very reasonably priced. Obama proposed leveraging this system as a low cost option for people who don't want to run up massive education debt.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#808

Post by soundwave106 »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #188
belorn wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can think of several things, from cultural long term changes, rhetoric and acknowledge of human struggle, to smaller changes on the local level. We could start by not calling them privileged, demeaning them in their struggle. Acknowledging peoples struggle in life is often the first step in helping a demographic, be that women, black, white, immigrant, American born, or what have you. As cultural changes, one would…

I don't know about this one. I'm able-bodied and have 0 problems with being called privileged for being able bodied. I can hear well, I can see fine, I don't need any machines or devices to help me move around. In this respect I'm very privileged. I don't feel like I'm being demeaned by acknowledging this. It is actually to me acknowledging that other people struggle in ways that I do not. Similarly, I struggle to se…

"White privilege" as a phrase vastly oversimplifies the cultural hierarchy.

It is probably rather insulting to a unemployed rust belt white man with no degree, who is getting by on social assistance, to be tagged by some well-off person on the coasts with a professional degree, that they are suffering from "white male privilege".

For a start, such "privilege" is not terribly applicable in this case. Regardless of whether the professional is not white and/or not male, the professional with the degree is in the "higher caste" in American society compared to the unemployed white man with no degree.

Many articles that use such phrases as "white privilege" tend to be accusatory and overly moralizing. If that's not insulting, at the very least you are not going to change any minds. (As an example from the "other side", my brother works at Citigroup. Guess what I start thinking of a person's argument when they start descending into an "evil Wall Street elite" meme?)

I agree that "white privilege" exists but there are better ways to phrase this -- at the very least, acknowledge and understand the other side.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#809

Post by admsyn »

TheGirondin wrote: post #740
ajross wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all honesty: almost none. He just wanted to be president. Most of his time will be spend enriching himself by selling banal access and bloviating on the world stage. That's pretty awful, but not apocalypse-level awful. Of your list: The wall is a technical impossibility that everyone can recognize. There's no funding for a deportation force and the political optics of goon squads rounding people up is something co…

>The wall is a technical impossibility that everyone can recognize. Please explain how building a wall is impossible. There are walls and fences everywhere.

Here's a start https://fieldofvision.org/best-of-luck-with-the-wall

> A voyage across the US-Mexico border, stitched together from 200,000 satellite images.

Post reply on HN