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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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So, I voted for DJT (I like calling him that, for some reason). I didn't vote for him because I agreed with any of his policies (as best I can tell he never actually presented any during the course of his campaign) or because I thought he was the best representative for the people of this country. I did so for a couple of reasons: 1. I like a good underdog story. The people that support him, for a multitude of reason…

I'm also a Trump supporter, and this post largely echoes my reasoning. >I refuse to believe that close to half of this country hates people of color It's been confirmed that many pro Obama counties have turned pro Trump this election cycle. Clearly not racists.

I'm not a Trump supporter, but it has been really frustrating to watch the Buzzfeed crowd paint all Trump supporters as misogynist racists. My facebook feed has been loaded with articles about how white men failed the feminist movement and all sorts of other crap that misses the point. I thinks Trumps popularity is best explained by saying that people are sick and tired of politics as usual. It's really not because half the country hates minorities.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#532
The stat that explains the election for me is 92% for Hillary in Washington DC.

Bear in mind that most US law is made by regulators, not Congress, and regulators live in Washington DC. Angry Republicans who feel it's "us vs the elite" and "nothing ever changes" are completely correct. If Trump wants to address the anger his voters feel for real, there's going to have to be a truly epic bonfire of regulators and regulation.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#533

I think the election of Trump is also a backslash against the PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning, micro aggression tendencies that have been spreading in the U.S. for the last couple of years. This has become too much and millions of Americans are fed up with it, they have now spoken out.

Could you elaborate on what these things are? PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning an micro aggression(?)

PC means politically correct. According to wikipedia[0], this is defined as "used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended primarily not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society." In short, thinking before you speak because words have consequences and can make people feel things.

SJW means social justice warrior. It carries a negative connotation, being defined[1] as "[carrying] implications of pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and being engaged in disingenuous social justice arguments or activism to raise personal reputation."

A safe space is somewhere "individuals who feel marginalized [can] come together to communicate regarding their experiences with their perceived marginalization."[2] This originated so that members of the lgbt+ community could talk freely and not feel like they would be persecuted for doing so. People today sometimes use the term to refer to places where they cannot be openly hateful, citing a violation of free speech.

A trigger is something that can cause someone to recall a previous trauma that they have experienced. Examples could be descriptions or portrayals of rape, graphic violence, suicide, or blood. Not all triggers are this directly connected to what people have experienced, but these are what people usually use in trigger warnings. Trigger warnings are little things saying "hey, there's some material following that may potentially trigger memories of trauma."

Microaggressions refer to actions that are not directly aggressive to a member of a marginalized group, but are still hurtful. They can be defined[3] as "rooted in racism, sexism, or discrimination based on nationality or sexual orientation. [They] can be delivered casually or even unconsciously." Examples could be sexist jokes, purposeful discrimination based on race, or misgendering trans people.

Some people use these terms to say that people today are so sensitive, it's just words, etc. Most of those people are not members of any marginalized groups.

[0]:https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Political_correctness [1]:https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Social_justice_warrior [2]:https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Safe-space [3]:http://qz.com/787504/what-exactly-is-a-microaggression-let-t...

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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My takeaway from this is that our strategy of "shaming" people into voting a certain way doesn't work. Exit polls seem to suggest that plenty of people understated their support for Trump because they were embarrassed to admit they voted for him. But they still did. In effect, you don't stop people from supporting racism, homophobia, or misogyny by calling attention to it. That only makes them support it quietly. You…

Have you read WikiLeaks?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Just in case anyone is wondering the same thing as I last night:

The USCIS administrative act for the International Entrepreneur Rule (Startup Visa) won't be affected. First, because it's being passed as an administrative action, meaning that it doesn't have to be voted in congress in order for it to start taking an effect. Second, because it's actually aligned with Donald Trump's 3rd immigration policy driver (the first two have nothing to do with foreign-born entrepreneurs):

3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

What Trump does believe is that the H1B1 is depressing salaries thus decreasing job opportunities for american citizens.

Therefore, if you have a startup and want to move it to the US you will have a better pathway. However, if you want to work as an employee in America, you'll have an even harder time.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#536

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

I believe you're incorrect in asserting that the election was about "disenfranchised blue collar workers". My daughter and her husband make about $200k per year and they voted for Trump. She's describes Trumps win as a great big middle finger to career politicians.

With that kind of income, I would venture to say that they're just republicans.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs that can't be exported are safe from movement. Hairdressing and cleaning for instance. That doesn't mean the person doing it can't be an immigrant, though, so perhaps by restricting immigration you reduce competition for it. Jobs that compete with similar jobs in other countries can potentially benefit from trade barriers. Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. Long term it's…

> Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. This is quite true, but the problem is those cars will be a lot more expensive. That means a small number of people employed making the cars benefit, while the vastly larger number of people buying them lose out in higher costs. This never works out to the benefit of the country as a whole and low wage earners are the ones that lose out the…

>That means a small number of people employed making the cars benefit

But those small number of people who benefit plus the whole of people in their supply chain, people that also drive demand for whatever the other people paying more for cars are offering.

The point I'm trying to make is that international trade doesn't give any multiplying magic. Simply separate the states in your country and whatever trade between them will become "international". It would be the same trade as before with the only difference that now you don't get to tax whoever is benefiting the most, one gets to play tricks with the currency, etc. etc.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#539
I think we learned that fake news (used to pump up fake issues) is now a legitimate campaign strategy that works even on people who should know better.

Trump won on a mountain of fake issues:

Immigration: both conservative and liberal economists agree that immigration (illegal or otherwise) does not suppress wages and does not suppress job growth.

https://www.cato.org/research/immigration http://business.time.com/2013/01/30/the-economics-of-immigra...

Terrorism: more toddlers killed Americans than terrorists in 2015. For every terrorist killing someone on US soil, more than 4000 Americans killed each other.

http://www.snopes.com/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/ http://tinyurl.com/q3fqk69

Gay marriage: All it does is extend the same legal protections to people of the same sex that was already available to people of opposite sex. It doesn't take away any rights from anybody.

Who is using the bathroom: Historically virtually no jurisdictions have had laws in place to prevent men from entering ladies rooms or vice versa. There have been male registered sex offenders entering the bathroom with yours sons since time immemorial. Transgendered people are no more likely to be sex offenders than the general population.

Obamacare: While the program has its problems, the Trump administration will do nothing to address them and has said it will double-down on aspects that will make our health care system worse.

I could go on but this is plenty. Welcome to the post-factual political America.

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