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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by Shivetya » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:20 PM UTC

micaksica wrote: post #246

stefs wrote: post #204

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reddit user TPKM's comment on the sanders-would-have-won-thread: "Support for Trump, much like Brexit, was based upon an extremely widespread feeling that average people are not getting their fair share of the benefits of globalisation. This is neither a specifically Democrat or Republican problem, and people have been saying it one way or another for years. It was also the foundation of Sanders' campaign. The differ…

> curbing immigration is an actual solution to the problem. Curbing immigration won't be a solution to the problem; it's just a highly visible one. Each immigrant that is looking for a job in the US is taking one away from the supply for an American. That is how the Trumpistas see things. Economically, sure, that's true. The immigrants take jobs from the labor supply. What people don't see is that aside from ones on…

Immigrants really don't take jobs from those who live here. They end up in jobs most natives never look for in the first place. So who do they really displace? Low skilled immigrants work more than low skilled natives, they commit less crime, they use less welfare, and they tend to marry more.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by lordnacho » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:20 PM UTC

neves wrote: post #320

jernfrost wrote: post #215

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You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. I grew up in a rustbelt like industrial town in Norway. We has shipyards, glass factory, paper mill, textile industry, lock systems etc. Almost all of it got closed down and moved overseas as I grew up…

You can't compare Norway, a high educated small country full of petromoney with the rest of the world. The recipe can't be reproduced.

Aren't other petro countries stunningly unequal? Equitorial Guinea, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela.

If anything you'd think the oil would cause higher inequality rather than lower.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by eru » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:20 PM UTC

lordnacho wrote: post #81

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Jobs that can't be exported are safe from movement. Hairdressing and cleaning for instance. That doesn't mean the person doing it can't be an immigrant, though, so perhaps by restricting immigration you reduce competition for it. Jobs that compete with similar jobs in other countries can potentially benefit from trade barriers. Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. Long term it's…

> Jobs that compete with similar jobs in other countries can potentially benefit from trade barriers. Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. Long term it's worth thinking about whether there's a dependency created on that tariff.

Alas, that strategy of forced import substitution didn't work for India or Brazil, did it? (Or other poor countries in the 20th century?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Import_substitution_industrial...

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by cdelsolar » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:20 PM UTC

laserDinosaur wrote: post #343

blakeyrat wrote: post #294

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I live in a relatively small suburb of Seattle. I'm a software developer. There are no jobs for me where I live. None. None within 20 miles. The only job for me is in Seattle or Bellevue or Redmond, an hour-long commute. I love where I live, and I don't want to live in Seattle (which I could barely afford anyway-- I like owning a house). I also don't want to exclusively work-from-home and be cut-off socially from my…

>The only job for me is in Seattle or Bellevue or Redmond, an hour-long commute I don't mean to belittle your situation but..an hour seems like fantastic commuting time. Most people I work with take an hour to an hour and a half to get to work. Up until our office moved there was two guys that had a 2 hour trip into work every day. Most people I know would kill to have an hour commute.

Yeah, it takes me about 1:15-1:20 each way, but most of it is on public transportation and I can get work done / play Pokemon / read / relax. I don't want to pay $4K a month to live in SF.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by SerLava » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:20 PM UTC

edko wrote: post #406

I doubt that, by consistently saying the same thing, anyone can be right for 24 years. The world changes; what is right 24 years ago may not be right today, and vice versa.

He changed in plenty of things, for example he went moderate on gun control. But he has been on the right side of a lot of social issues for a long time. Politicians everywhere have gravitated towards the same area he has also been inhabiting.

Also your comment is pretty needlessly rhetorical. Doesn't address anything.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by psyc » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:21 PM UTC

ap22213 wrote: post #324

DavajDavaj wrote: post #95

I think the election of Trump is also a backslash against the PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning, micro aggression tendencies that have been spreading in the U.S. for the last couple of years. This has become too much and millions of Americans are fed up with it, they have now spoken out.

How else can a bunch of very different people work together and be productive together without some level of decorum and safety? So, we get rid of 'political correctness' (i.e. respectfulness), and what then? Many people don't like their co-worker's or neighbor's personal beliefs or behaviors. I can't see that letting people be persecuted openly will end well or fruitfully for anyone. Addendum: It's interesting that…

The problem with SJW culture is not that they want respect, it's the utterly disrespectful, hostile, and dogmatic way they go about demanding it, and defining it.

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Post by hjnilsson » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:21 PM UTC

IMTDb wrote: post #368

jernfrost wrote: post #215

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You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. I grew up in a rustbelt like industrial town in Norway. We has shipyards, glass factory, paper mill, textile industry, lock systems etc. Almost all of it got closed down and moved overseas as I grew up…

USA does not have an oil fund that amounts do $150k per capita to pay for "free everything" (university education, universal health care, childcare) and good pensions for everybody. Norway generates more revenue with oil than the entires US of A, for 5 million people, and is third worldwide exporter for Natural Gas just behind Qatar and Russia, again with only 5 million people to serve (less than the population of Ne…

That entire fund was grown long after these policies. In fact Norway was one of the poorest countries in Europe as they were being implemented.

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Post by weberc2 » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:21 PM UTC

CalChris wrote: post #24

TulliusCicero wrote: post #15

Terrifying, but the dems kind of brought it on themselves. A nominee who was actually likeable probably would've wiped the floor with Trump.

Again, Republicans did this. Don't blame this on Hillary (hint: she won the popular vote). Don't blame this on Democrats. Accept responsibility. As for likable, Hillary has been the most admired woman in America, 14 years straight. Trump ran the most negative fact free campaign ever to overcome her likability.

The DNC did sabotage Sanders' nomination and (apparently) support Trump for the Republican nomination. Besides that, the American Left has been absolutely ruthless in dismissing and demonizing poor, white, and Christian people. I definitely think there is plenty of blame to go around.

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Post by cableshaft » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:22 PM UTC

ynniv wrote: post #59

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Historically speaking, war is very effective at reducing unemployment. I'm not advocating it, but others will soon.

Just re-institute gladiatorial combat. That seemed to work well for Rome for awhile.

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Post by pluma » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:22 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #257

mitchpron wrote: post #94

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Education. It's what Obama was emphasizing his entire presidency. Those jobs are never coming back, and even more are going to be automated. The education gap between rich and poor (and white and minority) is getting larger because of hoodlum-fearing mothers who support segregated neighborhoods and schools. Plus the poor-parent schools stay poor and the rich-parent schools stay rich. All of these factors together (wh…

You know, I used to think the same way --education. But Europe, Germany in particular, stresses education, and that has not saved them from having overqualified people and too few jobs for them. It also minimizes the fact that not all people have the aptitude to learn and obtain higher degrees. It's a race to the top and in that race there will always be people below who feel left out. So education can only offer so…

As someone on the employer side of the table I see two frequent problems with university educated candidates that generally don't land the job:

1) irrelevant or (professionally) useless degrees. These would be fine but because they have a degree these candidates generally think they deserve a higher wage which I can't afford (before you say "but general knowledge is valuable as well" remember that self-taught candidates with similarly well-rounded knowledge generally demand less despite often having actual job experience)

2) complete lack of practical knowledge or skills. Even if a degree is job-related that doesn't mean they are capable of doing the job or have the frame of mind required to do the job properly. This is especially a problem with people who picked their majors based on what industry currently provides the best salaries rather than what they are actually interested in doing.

These are especially problems for people who went into university without knowing what they want to do professionally. TINSTAAFL but even if you just get a degree to orient yourself and pass time until you have figured out what you actually want to do with your life that can affect your employability.