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“DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by falcolas »

syshum wrote: post #10
eveningcoffee wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there is no right or "fair share". And there lies the problem, I think. Or perhaps maybe I did not express myself precisely enough. So this is another take. Everyone has right to ask and receive a compensation for their work. Nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation. I do not know if this is written in your constitution, this is just something in what I believe. I believe that generally the jus…

>>Everyone has right to ask and receive a compensation for their work. Nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation Last I check no one is being forced to create movies, music, books, software, or any other creative works. I work in software development. I have had commercial projects fail miserably, I have spent 100's of hours on projects that have earned me $0, why because while I valued them clearly no…

> Last I check no one is being forced to create movies, music, books, software, or any other creative works.

No, most do it because they think they can make money off it.

Movies are expensive to make, and without the expectation of making that money back (or more - its an investment), why would make the movie? Books can take years to write (cough, GRRM), and the authors are frequently paid up front for the book. Would GRRM still be writing ASOIF if he wasn't able to make a living off it? Perhaps, perhaps not. Paying him makes it a lot more likely.

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by wolfgke »

falcolas wrote: post #21
syshum wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Everyone has right to ask and receive a compensation for their work. Nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation Last I check no one is being forced to create movies, music, books, software, or any other creative works. I work in software development. I have had commercial projects fail miserably, I have spent 100's of hours on projects that have earned me $0, why because while I valued them clearly no…

> Last I check no one is being forced to create movies, music, books, software, or any other creative works. No, most do it because they think they can make money off it. Movies are expensive to make, and without the expectation of making that money back (or more - its an investment), why would make the movie? Books can take years to write (cough, GRRM), and the authors are frequently paid up front for the book. Woul…

> Would GRRM still be writing ASOIF if he wasn't able to make a living off it? Perhaps, perhaps not. Paying him makes it a lot more likely.

But copyright and DRM is about forcing people to pay - this has nothing to do with being able to make a living or not.

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by falcolas »

wolfgke wrote: post #22
falcolas wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Last I check no one is being forced to create movies, music, books, software, or any other creative works. No, most do it because they think they can make money off it. Movies are expensive to make, and without the expectation of making that money back (or more - its an investment), why would make the movie? Books can take years to write (cough, GRRM), and the authors are frequently paid up front for the book. Woul…

> Would GRRM still be writing ASOIF if he wasn't able to make a living off it? Perhaps, perhaps not. Paying him makes it a lot more likely. But copyright and DRM is about forcing people to pay - this has nothing to do with being able to make a living or not.

> But copyright [...] is about forcing people to pay

Which, in my opinion, is not an unreasonable thing. If you want to consume the content, you pay the content creator in their currency of choice (be it github stars, their name immortalized in an attribution clause, or cash).

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by eveningcoffee »

marcosdumay wrote: post #15
eveningcoffee wrote: post #2

Interestingly copyright industry has grown to be one of the greatest enemies of the democracy and freedom of speech. I think that the shame is shared though as too many people started to disrespect the right of the authors to get a fair share for their work. It still does not follow that we should prefer rights of the authors over more general civil rights. If the choice is between authors not getting paid and freedo…

> copyright industry has grown to be one of the greatest enemies of the democracy and freedom of speech And there I don't know if you are talking about the noble trying to stop Illuminism at the beginning of our times, facists (actual ones) trying to stop the press at the beginning of the last century, or about nowadays. Anyway, one could consider it interesting, but hardly surprising. About the modern version, the T…

One of my fears is that the technology we make would drastically reduce the entry level into a sophisticated organized crime.

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by wolfgke »

falcolas wrote: post #23
wolfgke wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would GRRM still be writing ASOIF if he wasn't able to make a living off it? Perhaps, perhaps not. Paying him makes it a lot more likely. But copyright and DRM is about forcing people to pay - this has nothing to do with being able to make a living or not.

> But copyright [...] is about forcing people to pay Which, in my opinion, is not an unreasonable thing. If you want to consume the content, you pay the content creator in their currency of choice (be it github stars, their name immortalized in an attribution clause, or cash).

> If you want to consume the content, you pay the content creator in their currency of choice (be it github stars, their name immortalized in an attribution clause, or cash).

I consider doing this as a gesture of politeness, but nothing that should be enforced by violence.

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by saint_fiasco »

syshum wrote: post #13
m_developer wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, if people keep using your software (or, for comparison, music), then there does seem to be value in it. Why then, shouldn't you be compensated for the work it took?

There are many forms of "value" outside that of currency. Further the sole reason they may use my software it because it is free, any attempt to even charge $1 for it exceeds the monetary value of the software.

I don't know why you are being downvoted.

If you really are willing to change to a different software (or see/listen a different movie/music) just because you are not willing to pay a dollar, then the value of that software/song/movie really is lower than a dollar.

How is that controversial?

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by pessimizer »

wolfgke wrote: post #18
eveningcoffee wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I welcome you to reread my comment. What I essentially said was that nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation. If this compensation can not be reached, we should accept that there will be less work created, instead of enforcing this compensation at the expense of our other more important civil rights.

> What I essentially said was that nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation. I'm not aware of any penal servitude in the United States.

Hence "we should accept that there will be less work created."

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by Ace17 »

m_developer wrote: post #11
syshum wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Everyone has right to ask and receive a compensation for their work. Nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation Last I check no one is being forced to create movies, music, books, software, or any other creative works. I work in software development. I have had commercial projects fail miserably, I have spent 100's of hours on projects that have earned me $0, why because while I valued them clearly no…

But, if people keep using your software (or, for comparison, music), then there does seem to be value in it. Why then, shouldn't you be compensated for the work it took?

Because when this software/music, in its final form, only consist in pure information, it's nearly impossible to guarantee your compensation without giving companies the tools to interfer with essential freedoms.

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by falcolas »

wolfgke wrote: post #25
falcolas wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But copyright [...] is about forcing people to pay Which, in my opinion, is not an unreasonable thing. If you want to consume the content, you pay the content creator in their currency of choice (be it github stars, their name immortalized in an attribution clause, or cash).

> If you want to consume the content, you pay the content creator in their currency of choice (be it github stars, their name immortalized in an attribution clause, or cash). I consider doing this as a gesture of politeness, but nothing that should be enforced by violence.

> I consider doing this as a gesture of politeness

I disagree. The rights of a content creator are, after all, enshrined in the constitution. That's a bit more than "being polite". That said, the right of the public to have access after a defined period of time is also enshrined, so that does need to be taken into account.

> nothing that should be enforced by violence

Thats quite the jump - violence? I'm going to make the assumption that you're referring to the idea that no law should be made that you aren't willing to resort to violence to support.

Even under that assumption, I am OK with this being the law of the land. I believe that a person has the right to demand compensation for access their work, regardless of the form that work takes.

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