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“DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by m_developer »

syshum wrote: post #10
eveningcoffee wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there is no right or "fair share". And there lies the problem, I think. Or perhaps maybe I did not express myself precisely enough. So this is another take. Everyone has right to ask and receive a compensation for their work. Nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation. I do not know if this is written in your constitution, this is just something in what I believe. I believe that generally the jus…

>>Everyone has right to ask and receive a compensation for their work. Nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation Last I check no one is being forced to create movies, music, books, software, or any other creative works. I work in software development. I have had commercial projects fail miserably, I have spent 100's of hours on projects that have earned me $0, why because while I valued them clearly no…

But, if people keep using your software (or, for comparison, music), then there does seem to be value in it. Why then, shouldn't you be compensated for the work it took?

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by thoughtsimple »

cheiVia0 wrote: post #4
syshum wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>disrespect the right of the authors to get a fair share for their work. Because there is no right or "fair share". Creators have only the right to ask for money for their works, they have no right to compensation at all. Further from an American Legal perspective there is no "choice is between authors not getting paid and freedom of expression" the constitutional reason for copyright, patent and trademark is to pro…

Have there been any challenges to copyright on constitutional grounds? If not, at what point might that happen?

Copyright and patents are written into the US Constitution. The wording allows congress to pass laws granting for a limited time exclusive access to their creators. The Supreme Court of the US has held that congress can declare any duration as limited as long as it is not literally forever. There is nothing unconstitutional about copyright law.

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by syshum »

m_developer wrote: post #11
syshum wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Everyone has right to ask and receive a compensation for their work. Nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation Last I check no one is being forced to create movies, music, books, software, or any other creative works. I work in software development. I have had commercial projects fail miserably, I have spent 100's of hours on projects that have earned me $0, why because while I valued them clearly no…

But, if people keep using your software (or, for comparison, music), then there does seem to be value in it. Why then, shouldn't you be compensated for the work it took?

There are many forms of "value" outside that of currency.

Further the sole reason they may use my software it because it is free, any attempt to even charge $1 for it exceeds the monetary value of the software.

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by syshum »

cheiVia0 wrote: post #4
syshum wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>disrespect the right of the authors to get a fair share for their work. Because there is no right or "fair share". Creators have only the right to ask for money for their works, they have no right to compensation at all. Further from an American Legal perspective there is no "choice is between authors not getting paid and freedom of expression" the constitutional reason for copyright, patent and trademark is to pro…

Have there been any challenges to copyright on constitutional grounds? If not, at what point might that happen?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Supreme_...

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by marcosdumay »

eveningcoffee wrote: post #2

Interestingly copyright industry has grown to be one of the greatest enemies of the democracy and freedom of speech. I think that the shame is shared though as too many people started to disrespect the right of the authors to get a fair share for their work. It still does not follow that we should prefer rights of the authors over more general civil rights. If the choice is between authors not getting paid and freedo…

> copyright industry has grown to be one of the greatest enemies of the democracy and freedom of speech

And there I don't know if you are talking about the noble trying to stop Illuminism at the beginning of our times, facists (actual ones) trying to stop the press at the beginning of the last century, or about nowadays.

Anyway, one could consider it interesting, but hardly surprising.

About the modern version, the Trusted Computing Consortium, that is the ones that invented DRM and mostly the ones pushing for it until today (but with the consortium disintegrated) placed in the predicted use cases of their technology self destructing documents before even movies that couldn't be copied. That should be enough to understand what people want DRM for.

(It should, but interesting that it was not. People mostly reacted to the idea of self destructing documents as "Of course that won't be used to organize crimes and destroy the evidence! What kind of paranoid are you?" Personally I'm the kind of paranoid person that 20 years later still couldn't discover any other use for self destructing documents - but that's me.)

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by admax88q »

eveningcoffee wrote: post #7
syshum wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>disrespect the right of the authors to get a fair share for their work. Because there is no right or "fair share". Creators have only the right to ask for money for their works, they have no right to compensation at all. Further from an American Legal perspective there is no "choice is between authors not getting paid and freedom of expression" the constitutional reason for copyright, patent and trademark is to pro…

Because there is no right or "fair share". And there lies the problem, I think. Or perhaps maybe I did not express myself precisely enough. So this is another take. Everyone has right to ask and receive a compensation for their work. Nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation. I do not know if this is written in your constitution, this is just something in what I believe. I believe that generally the jus…

> Does this mean that if you do not accept what they ask for their work, you still will have the right to use their work?

No

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by eveningcoffee »

syshum wrote: post #10
eveningcoffee wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there is no right or "fair share". And there lies the problem, I think. Or perhaps maybe I did not express myself precisely enough. So this is another take. Everyone has right to ask and receive a compensation for their work. Nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation. I do not know if this is written in your constitution, this is just something in what I believe. I believe that generally the jus…

>>Everyone has right to ask and receive a compensation for their work. Nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation Last I check no one is being forced to create movies, music, books, software, or any other creative works. I work in software development. I have had commercial projects fail miserably, I have spent 100's of hours on projects that have earned me $0, why because while I valued them clearly no…

I welcome you to reread my comment.

What I essentially said was that nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation. If this compensation can not be reached, we should accept that there will be less work created, instead of enforcing this compensation at the expense of our other more important civil rights.

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by wolfgke »

eveningcoffee wrote: post #17
syshum wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Everyone has right to ask and receive a compensation for their work. Nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation Last I check no one is being forced to create movies, music, books, software, or any other creative works. I work in software development. I have had commercial projects fail miserably, I have spent 100's of hours on projects that have earned me $0, why because while I valued them clearly no…

I welcome you to reread my comment. What I essentially said was that nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation. If this compensation can not be reached, we should accept that there will be less work created, instead of enforcing this compensation at the expense of our other more important civil rights.

> What I essentially said was that nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation.

I'm not aware of any penal servitude in the United States.

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by falcolas »

syshum wrote: post #3
eveningcoffee wrote: post #2

Interestingly copyright industry has grown to be one of the greatest enemies of the democracy and freedom of speech. I think that the shame is shared though as too many people started to disrespect the right of the authors to get a fair share for their work. It still does not follow that we should prefer rights of the authors over more general civil rights. If the choice is between authors not getting paid and freedo…

>>disrespect the right of the authors to get a fair share for their work. Because there is no right or "fair share". Creators have only the right to ask for money for their works, they have no right to compensation at all. Further from an American Legal perspective there is no "choice is between authors not getting paid and freedom of expression" the constitutional reason for copyright, patent and trademark is to pro…

> Creators have only the right to ask for money for their works, they have no right to compensation at all.

Similarly, we as consumers have no inherit right to view or use their work without paying the creator's asking price. Nor do we have the right to force the creators to create work.

IOW, the only way to really motivate creators to create is to compensate them somehow (money works great). Capitalism at work.

Re: “DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users”

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Post by pbtflakes »

wolfgke wrote: post #18
eveningcoffee wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I welcome you to reread my comment. What I essentially said was that nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation. If this compensation can not be reached, we should accept that there will be less work created, instead of enforcing this compensation at the expense of our other more important civil rights.

> What I essentially said was that nobody should be forced to work for unfair compensation. I'm not aware of any penal servitude in the United States.

It's right there in the 13th Amendment. Just look at FPI/UNICOR, a government-owned corporation founded in order to exploit prison labor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Industries

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