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Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

You're talking about a demographic who, by and large, distrust experts, scientists, educated people, and any information that doesn't agree with their biases. They chose to be this way.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by eru »

mc32 wrote: post #257
mitchpron wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Education. It's what Obama was emphasizing his entire presidency. Those jobs are never coming back, and even more are going to be automated. The education gap between rich and poor (and white and minority) is getting larger because of hoodlum-fearing mothers who support segregated neighborhoods and schools. Plus the poor-parent schools stay poor and the rich-parent schools stay rich. All of these factors together (wh…

You know, I used to think the same way --education. But Europe, Germany in particular, stresses education, and that has not saved them from having overqualified people and too few jobs for them. It also minimizes the fact that not all people have the aptitude to learn and obtain higher degrees. It's a race to the top and in that race there will always be people below who feel left out. So education can only offer so…

> [...] and that has not saved them from having overqualified people and too few jobs for them.

They had labour market inefficiencies and weak demand.

The US labour market is a bit more flexible. And since they are issuing their own currency, they can always print more to stoke demand. (Ideally, the Fed would target nominal GDP.)

Good news: the Germans are having a much lower unemployment rate these days than in the late 90s.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by TAForObvReasons »

buckbova wrote: post #372
jernfrost wrote: post #258

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Don't think that is possible. If I was a democrat today I'd do like the Republicans have been doing the last 8 years and do my outmost to make the Trump Presidency be a major failure. The way the republicans have played this game is so dirty, that you can't expect people to forgive. We can not reward such a divisive character like Donald Trump with his racism, xenophobia, mysogny, insults and bullying with a successf…

> It is sad to say, but for the long term benefit of America it is probably better if it gets run to the ground over these four years. Then America will be spared for such leaders in the future. I heard this EXACT phrase said about Obama 8 years ago! We always get what we deserve. Hope, change, make america great again. > If I was a democrat today I'd do like the Republicans have been doing the last 8 years and do my…

Dems started with a majority in both houses back in 2009-2010. Still didn't stop the GOP from filibustering and pulling out all the stops.

This is a real test of the spine of the democratic party. Will they pull the same stunts the GOP did back then? Who knows

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by gregd »

croon wrote: post #335
huac wrote: post #109

I have a lot of thoughts, but here's one: Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. It's undoubtably true now that there was a very real populist anger towards the existing political order, and…

> In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. Well that's blatantly false. That was Trump's entire campaign. All I've heard all year was "Benghazi", "emails" and "crooked", all of which were just rephrasing of the same thing, repeated in perpetuum. It most definitely worked.

And his supporters continue to shout, "Jail her!".

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Post by barake »

simonh wrote: post #200
lordnacho wrote: post #81

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Jobs that can't be exported are safe from movement. Hairdressing and cleaning for instance. That doesn't mean the person doing it can't be an immigrant, though, so perhaps by restricting immigration you reduce competition for it. Jobs that compete with similar jobs in other countries can potentially benefit from trade barriers. Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. Long term it's…

> Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. This is quite true, but the problem is those cars will be a lot more expensive. That means a small number of people employed making the cars benefit, while the vastly larger number of people buying them lose out in higher costs. This never works out to the benefit of the country as a whole and low wage earners are the ones that lose out the…

We currently have crazy import tariffs on Chinese made automobile tires. The result has been 1,200 jobs saved and consumers paid an extra billion dollars for tires.

There is no free lunch with trade.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ta...

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #248
huac wrote: post #109

I have a lot of thoughts, but here's one: Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. It's undoubtably true now that there was a very real populist anger towards the existing political order, and…

> at the expense of talking about why she should be president. Hillary couldn't make that argument because it would've drawn more attention to her most damning flaw: The fact that she's a textbook demagogue who was on the wrong side of every progressive issue until she found it politically expedient to "evolve". That's why so many people were so passionate about Sanders. You could go back to C-SPAN videos from 1992 a…

This was actually what I thought was Clinton's best quality. I believe it's called "triangulation" and it means figuring out what compromise can be achieved in the current political circumstances and going with that rather that what you believe to be the one true right answer, if that would lead to less pragmatic progress.

Basically, "the perfect is the enemy of the good" applied to politics.

e.g. "Don't ask, don't tell" is a crappy policy compared with letting gay people serve openly, but it's an improvement on the status quo at that time which was setting up sting operations to catch out gay servicemen and throw them out of the army.

I guess I'm condoning her fighting for something she doesn't truly believe is right, as long as it's better than what's currently the case. Does that make me bad? Does it make her bad?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by dmode »

A minority of Americans (note that Clinton is winning the popular vote) have too much power over the world. A Bush presidency destroyed the world, because people wanted to have beer with him. A Trump presidency will even do further damage because people "hated the establishment"
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